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Bringing HCC Patients Hope Through Trials, Advanced Treatments
For Reena Salgia, MD, the most rewarding part about working with patients with hepatocellular carcinoma is being there for their entire journey, thanks to advancements in treatment. “It brings a smile to my face just to think about it,” says Dr. Salgia, medical director of Henry Ford Health’s Liver Cancer Clinic in Detroit.
Hepatocellular carcinoma accounts for 80% of all liver cancer. When she first entered the field, Dr. Salgia often heard that survival rates 5 years after diagnosis were less than 10%. Over the last decade however, “I’ve seen an expansion in the procedural options that we offer these patients. We have an array of options both surgically as well as procedurally,” she said.
Especially over the last three to four years, “we’ve seen meaningful responses for patients with medications that we previously didn’t have in our toolbox. That’s really been exciting, along with continued involvement in clinical trials and being able to offer patients a number of different approaches to their care of liver cancer,” said Dr. Salgia.
A regular attendee and presenter at national GI meetings, Dr. Salgia participated in AGA’s Women’s Executive Leadership Conference in 2023. Her academic resume includes a long list of clinical trials to assess treatments for patients at different stages of hepatocellular carcinoma.
In an interview, she discussed the highlights of her career as a researcher and mentor of fellows, and how she guides and supports her transplant patients.
What drove you to pursue the field of hepatology and transplant hepatology?
I came across this field during my fourth year of medical school. I didn’t know anything about hepatology when I reached that stage and had the opportunity to do an elective. I just fell in love with the specialty. I liked the complex pathophysiology of liver disease, the long-term follow-up and care of patients. It appealed to the type of science that I had enjoyed back in college.
As I went into my GI fellowship training, I got to learn more about the field of transplant medicine. For instance, how you can take these patients who are incredibly ill, really at a very vulnerable point of their illness, and then offer them great hope and see their lives turn around afterwards. When I had the opportunity to see patients go from end stage liver disease to such significant improvement in their quality of life, and restoring their physical functioning beyond what we would’ve ever imagined when they were ill, it reaffirmed my interest in both hepatology as well as in transplant medicine.
How do you help those patients waiting on transplant lists for a liver?
We are intimately involved in their care all the way through their journey with liver disease, up until the time of physically getting the liver transplant, which is performed by our colleagues in transplant surgery. From the time they are transplanted, we are involved in their inpatient and outpatient post-transplant care. We’ve helped to get them on the transplant list with the work of the multidisciplinary team. If there are opportunities to help them understand their position on the list or obtaining exceptions—though that is done in a very objective fashion through the regulatory system—we help to guide them through that journey.
You’ve worked on many studies that involve treatments for hepatocellular carcinoma. Can you highlight a paper that yielded clinically significant benefits?
What really stands out the most to me was our site’s involvement in the IMbrave150 trial, which was published in 2020. This multicenter study made a big difference in the outcomes and treatments for patients, as it brought the adoption of first-line immunotherapy (atezolizumab plus bevacizumab) for patients with advanced hepatocellular carcinoma. I remember vividly the patients we had the opportunity to enroll in that trial – some who we continue to care for today. This stands out as one of the trials that I was involved in that had a lasting impact.
What were the clinical endpoints and key results of that trial?
The endpoint was to see an improvement in overall survival utilizing immunotherapy, compared with the prior standard of care then available, oral therapy. The results led to the adoption and FDA approval of immunotherapy in the first line setting for advanced unresectable hepatocellular carcinoma patients.
What are some of the highlights of serving as director of Henry Ford’s fellowship program?
Education is my passion. I went into medical training feeling that at some point I would love to blend in teaching in a formal role. Becoming program director of the gastroenterology and hepatology fellowship at Henry Ford in 2018 was one of the most meaningful things that I’ve had the opportunity to do in my career. I get to see trainees who are at a very impressionable point of their journey go on to become gastroenterologists and then launch into their first job and really develop in this field. Seeing them come in day one, not knowing how to hold a scope or do a procedure on a patient of this nature, then quickly evolve over the first year and grow over three years to achieve this specialty training [is rewarding]. I’ve learned a lot from the fellows along the way. I think of them as an extension of my family. We have 15 fellows currently in our program and we’ll be growing this summer. So that’s really been a highlight of my career thus far.
What fears did you have to push past to get to where you are in your career?
I think that there have been a few. One is certainly the fear of making the wrong choice with your first career opportunity. I did choose to leave my comfort zone from where I had done my training. I met that with some fear, but also excitement for new opportunities of personal and professional growth.
Another fear is: Am I going to be able to be ambitious in this field? Can I pursue research, become a program director, and do things that my role models and mentors were able to achieve? There’s also the fear of being able to balance a busy work life with a busy home life and figuring out how to do both well and minimize the guilt on both sides. I have a family with two girls. They are definitely a top priority.
What teacher or mentor had the greatest impact on you?
Helen Te, MD, a hepatologist at the University of Chicago. When I was a medical student there, I had the opportunity to work with her and saw her passion for this field. She really had so much enthusiasm for teaching and was a big part of why I started to fall in love with liver disease.
Karen Kim, MD, now the dean of Penn State College of Medicine, was one of my assigned mentors as a medical student. She helped me explore the fields where there were opportunities for residency and helped me make the decision to go into internal medicine, which often is a key deciding point for medical students. She was also a very influential teacher. The other individual who stands out is my fellowship program director, Hari Sree Conjeevaram, MD, MSc, at University of Michigan Health. He exhibited the qualities as an educator and program director that helped me recognize that education was something that I wanted to pursue in a formal fashion once I moved on in my career.
Describe how you would spend a free Saturday afternoon.
Likely taking a hike or go to a park with my family, enjoying the outdoors and spending time with them.
Lightning Round
If you weren’t a gastroenterologist, what would you be?
Philanthropist
Favorite city in U.S. besides the one you live in?
Chicago
Place you most want to travel?
New Zealand
Favorite breakfast?
Avocado toast
Favorite ice cream flavor?
Cookies and cream
How many cups of coffee do you drink per day?
Two…or more
Cat person or dog person?
Dog
Texting or talking?
Talk
Favorite season?
Autumn
Favorite type of music?
Pop
Favorite movie genre?
Action
For Reena Salgia, MD, the most rewarding part about working with patients with hepatocellular carcinoma is being there for their entire journey, thanks to advancements in treatment. “It brings a smile to my face just to think about it,” says Dr. Salgia, medical director of Henry Ford Health’s Liver Cancer Clinic in Detroit.
Hepatocellular carcinoma accounts for 80% of all liver cancer. When she first entered the field, Dr. Salgia often heard that survival rates 5 years after diagnosis were less than 10%. Over the last decade however, “I’ve seen an expansion in the procedural options that we offer these patients. We have an array of options both surgically as well as procedurally,” she said.
Especially over the last three to four years, “we’ve seen meaningful responses for patients with medications that we previously didn’t have in our toolbox. That’s really been exciting, along with continued involvement in clinical trials and being able to offer patients a number of different approaches to their care of liver cancer,” said Dr. Salgia.
A regular attendee and presenter at national GI meetings, Dr. Salgia participated in AGA’s Women’s Executive Leadership Conference in 2023. Her academic resume includes a long list of clinical trials to assess treatments for patients at different stages of hepatocellular carcinoma.
In an interview, she discussed the highlights of her career as a researcher and mentor of fellows, and how she guides and supports her transplant patients.
What drove you to pursue the field of hepatology and transplant hepatology?
I came across this field during my fourth year of medical school. I didn’t know anything about hepatology when I reached that stage and had the opportunity to do an elective. I just fell in love with the specialty. I liked the complex pathophysiology of liver disease, the long-term follow-up and care of patients. It appealed to the type of science that I had enjoyed back in college.
As I went into my GI fellowship training, I got to learn more about the field of transplant medicine. For instance, how you can take these patients who are incredibly ill, really at a very vulnerable point of their illness, and then offer them great hope and see their lives turn around afterwards. When I had the opportunity to see patients go from end stage liver disease to such significant improvement in their quality of life, and restoring their physical functioning beyond what we would’ve ever imagined when they were ill, it reaffirmed my interest in both hepatology as well as in transplant medicine.
How do you help those patients waiting on transplant lists for a liver?
We are intimately involved in their care all the way through their journey with liver disease, up until the time of physically getting the liver transplant, which is performed by our colleagues in transplant surgery. From the time they are transplanted, we are involved in their inpatient and outpatient post-transplant care. We’ve helped to get them on the transplant list with the work of the multidisciplinary team. If there are opportunities to help them understand their position on the list or obtaining exceptions—though that is done in a very objective fashion through the regulatory system—we help to guide them through that journey.
You’ve worked on many studies that involve treatments for hepatocellular carcinoma. Can you highlight a paper that yielded clinically significant benefits?
What really stands out the most to me was our site’s involvement in the IMbrave150 trial, which was published in 2020. This multicenter study made a big difference in the outcomes and treatments for patients, as it brought the adoption of first-line immunotherapy (atezolizumab plus bevacizumab) for patients with advanced hepatocellular carcinoma. I remember vividly the patients we had the opportunity to enroll in that trial – some who we continue to care for today. This stands out as one of the trials that I was involved in that had a lasting impact.
What were the clinical endpoints and key results of that trial?
The endpoint was to see an improvement in overall survival utilizing immunotherapy, compared with the prior standard of care then available, oral therapy. The results led to the adoption and FDA approval of immunotherapy in the first line setting for advanced unresectable hepatocellular carcinoma patients.
What are some of the highlights of serving as director of Henry Ford’s fellowship program?
Education is my passion. I went into medical training feeling that at some point I would love to blend in teaching in a formal role. Becoming program director of the gastroenterology and hepatology fellowship at Henry Ford in 2018 was one of the most meaningful things that I’ve had the opportunity to do in my career. I get to see trainees who are at a very impressionable point of their journey go on to become gastroenterologists and then launch into their first job and really develop in this field. Seeing them come in day one, not knowing how to hold a scope or do a procedure on a patient of this nature, then quickly evolve over the first year and grow over three years to achieve this specialty training [is rewarding]. I’ve learned a lot from the fellows along the way. I think of them as an extension of my family. We have 15 fellows currently in our program and we’ll be growing this summer. So that’s really been a highlight of my career thus far.
What fears did you have to push past to get to where you are in your career?
I think that there have been a few. One is certainly the fear of making the wrong choice with your first career opportunity. I did choose to leave my comfort zone from where I had done my training. I met that with some fear, but also excitement for new opportunities of personal and professional growth.
Another fear is: Am I going to be able to be ambitious in this field? Can I pursue research, become a program director, and do things that my role models and mentors were able to achieve? There’s also the fear of being able to balance a busy work life with a busy home life and figuring out how to do both well and minimize the guilt on both sides. I have a family with two girls. They are definitely a top priority.
What teacher or mentor had the greatest impact on you?
Helen Te, MD, a hepatologist at the University of Chicago. When I was a medical student there, I had the opportunity to work with her and saw her passion for this field. She really had so much enthusiasm for teaching and was a big part of why I started to fall in love with liver disease.
Karen Kim, MD, now the dean of Penn State College of Medicine, was one of my assigned mentors as a medical student. She helped me explore the fields where there were opportunities for residency and helped me make the decision to go into internal medicine, which often is a key deciding point for medical students. She was also a very influential teacher. The other individual who stands out is my fellowship program director, Hari Sree Conjeevaram, MD, MSc, at University of Michigan Health. He exhibited the qualities as an educator and program director that helped me recognize that education was something that I wanted to pursue in a formal fashion once I moved on in my career.
Describe how you would spend a free Saturday afternoon.
Likely taking a hike or go to a park with my family, enjoying the outdoors and spending time with them.
Lightning Round
If you weren’t a gastroenterologist, what would you be?
Philanthropist
Favorite city in U.S. besides the one you live in?
Chicago
Place you most want to travel?
New Zealand
Favorite breakfast?
Avocado toast
Favorite ice cream flavor?
Cookies and cream
How many cups of coffee do you drink per day?
Two…or more
Cat person or dog person?
Dog
Texting or talking?
Talk
Favorite season?
Autumn
Favorite type of music?
Pop
Favorite movie genre?
Action
For Reena Salgia, MD, the most rewarding part about working with patients with hepatocellular carcinoma is being there for their entire journey, thanks to advancements in treatment. “It brings a smile to my face just to think about it,” says Dr. Salgia, medical director of Henry Ford Health’s Liver Cancer Clinic in Detroit.
Hepatocellular carcinoma accounts for 80% of all liver cancer. When she first entered the field, Dr. Salgia often heard that survival rates 5 years after diagnosis were less than 10%. Over the last decade however, “I’ve seen an expansion in the procedural options that we offer these patients. We have an array of options both surgically as well as procedurally,” she said.
Especially over the last three to four years, “we’ve seen meaningful responses for patients with medications that we previously didn’t have in our toolbox. That’s really been exciting, along with continued involvement in clinical trials and being able to offer patients a number of different approaches to their care of liver cancer,” said Dr. Salgia.
A regular attendee and presenter at national GI meetings, Dr. Salgia participated in AGA’s Women’s Executive Leadership Conference in 2023. Her academic resume includes a long list of clinical trials to assess treatments for patients at different stages of hepatocellular carcinoma.
In an interview, she discussed the highlights of her career as a researcher and mentor of fellows, and how she guides and supports her transplant patients.
What drove you to pursue the field of hepatology and transplant hepatology?
I came across this field during my fourth year of medical school. I didn’t know anything about hepatology when I reached that stage and had the opportunity to do an elective. I just fell in love with the specialty. I liked the complex pathophysiology of liver disease, the long-term follow-up and care of patients. It appealed to the type of science that I had enjoyed back in college.
As I went into my GI fellowship training, I got to learn more about the field of transplant medicine. For instance, how you can take these patients who are incredibly ill, really at a very vulnerable point of their illness, and then offer them great hope and see their lives turn around afterwards. When I had the opportunity to see patients go from end stage liver disease to such significant improvement in their quality of life, and restoring their physical functioning beyond what we would’ve ever imagined when they were ill, it reaffirmed my interest in both hepatology as well as in transplant medicine.
How do you help those patients waiting on transplant lists for a liver?
We are intimately involved in their care all the way through their journey with liver disease, up until the time of physically getting the liver transplant, which is performed by our colleagues in transplant surgery. From the time they are transplanted, we are involved in their inpatient and outpatient post-transplant care. We’ve helped to get them on the transplant list with the work of the multidisciplinary team. If there are opportunities to help them understand their position on the list or obtaining exceptions—though that is done in a very objective fashion through the regulatory system—we help to guide them through that journey.
You’ve worked on many studies that involve treatments for hepatocellular carcinoma. Can you highlight a paper that yielded clinically significant benefits?
What really stands out the most to me was our site’s involvement in the IMbrave150 trial, which was published in 2020. This multicenter study made a big difference in the outcomes and treatments for patients, as it brought the adoption of first-line immunotherapy (atezolizumab plus bevacizumab) for patients with advanced hepatocellular carcinoma. I remember vividly the patients we had the opportunity to enroll in that trial – some who we continue to care for today. This stands out as one of the trials that I was involved in that had a lasting impact.
What were the clinical endpoints and key results of that trial?
The endpoint was to see an improvement in overall survival utilizing immunotherapy, compared with the prior standard of care then available, oral therapy. The results led to the adoption and FDA approval of immunotherapy in the first line setting for advanced unresectable hepatocellular carcinoma patients.
What are some of the highlights of serving as director of Henry Ford’s fellowship program?
Education is my passion. I went into medical training feeling that at some point I would love to blend in teaching in a formal role. Becoming program director of the gastroenterology and hepatology fellowship at Henry Ford in 2018 was one of the most meaningful things that I’ve had the opportunity to do in my career. I get to see trainees who are at a very impressionable point of their journey go on to become gastroenterologists and then launch into their first job and really develop in this field. Seeing them come in day one, not knowing how to hold a scope or do a procedure on a patient of this nature, then quickly evolve over the first year and grow over three years to achieve this specialty training [is rewarding]. I’ve learned a lot from the fellows along the way. I think of them as an extension of my family. We have 15 fellows currently in our program and we’ll be growing this summer. So that’s really been a highlight of my career thus far.
What fears did you have to push past to get to where you are in your career?
I think that there have been a few. One is certainly the fear of making the wrong choice with your first career opportunity. I did choose to leave my comfort zone from where I had done my training. I met that with some fear, but also excitement for new opportunities of personal and professional growth.
Another fear is: Am I going to be able to be ambitious in this field? Can I pursue research, become a program director, and do things that my role models and mentors were able to achieve? There’s also the fear of being able to balance a busy work life with a busy home life and figuring out how to do both well and minimize the guilt on both sides. I have a family with two girls. They are definitely a top priority.
What teacher or mentor had the greatest impact on you?
Helen Te, MD, a hepatologist at the University of Chicago. When I was a medical student there, I had the opportunity to work with her and saw her passion for this field. She really had so much enthusiasm for teaching and was a big part of why I started to fall in love with liver disease.
Karen Kim, MD, now the dean of Penn State College of Medicine, was one of my assigned mentors as a medical student. She helped me explore the fields where there were opportunities for residency and helped me make the decision to go into internal medicine, which often is a key deciding point for medical students. She was also a very influential teacher. The other individual who stands out is my fellowship program director, Hari Sree Conjeevaram, MD, MSc, at University of Michigan Health. He exhibited the qualities as an educator and program director that helped me recognize that education was something that I wanted to pursue in a formal fashion once I moved on in my career.
Describe how you would spend a free Saturday afternoon.
Likely taking a hike or go to a park with my family, enjoying the outdoors and spending time with them.
Lightning Round
If you weren’t a gastroenterologist, what would you be?
Philanthropist
Favorite city in U.S. besides the one you live in?
Chicago
Place you most want to travel?
New Zealand
Favorite breakfast?
Avocado toast
Favorite ice cream flavor?
Cookies and cream
How many cups of coffee do you drink per day?
Two…or more
Cat person or dog person?
Dog
Texting or talking?
Talk
Favorite season?
Autumn
Favorite type of music?
Pop
Favorite movie genre?
Action
Childhood IBD Connects PA with Her Patients
Abigail Meyers, MPAS, PA-C, was 9 years old when a diagnosis of ulcerative colitis set the trajectory of her future career.
“There weren’t a lot of medical therapies available back then,” recalls Meyers, who had to undergo multiple hospitalizations and surgeries for her condition. Medical staff would say: “Oh I know how you feel,” then retract their words when Meyers would ask if they had ever experienced a nasogastric tube or ileostomy.
“I’m going to go into healthcare. I’m going to take care of patients with inflammatory bowel disease [IBD] and I will never say ‘I know how you feel’ unless I truly mean it,” Meyers vowed to her mother one night at the hospital.
And that’s exactly what she did. During her training as a physician assistant (PA), Meyers had the opportunity to do an adult colorectal surgery rotation and a pediatric gastroenterology rotation. Another bonus: she got to work with the gastroenterologist who treated her when she was a 9-year-old patient.
Meyers has never told a patient, “I know how you feel.” Instead, she might say: “This is really hard. This is something new. This is a challenging moment. You’re allowed to feel upset, you’re allowed to feel disappointed, you’re allowed to feel scared.”
A clinical expert in gastroenterology and colon and rectal surgery, Meyers spent 10 years at the Mayo Clinic as a PA in colon and rectal surgery and gastroenterology. She currently works as the assistant director of student success and development at the Medical College of Wisconsin in Milwaukee.
On days where things are hard and the grind of the day-to-day work in healthcare becomes too challenging, “I get to remind myself that I do make an impact,” said Meyers. If a patient ever asks her, “Have you ever had an ileostomy before?” Meyers can honestly answer that she has and then describe what it was like.
“I think that allows them to have a little bit of an ‘aha’ moment or a breakthrough in their recovery journey or their acceptance journey, whatever that looks like through this disease process,” she said.
In an interview, she discussed the work she’s done on multiple fronts to guide the careers of advanced practice providers (APPs), and the special connection she has with her patients.
Tell me about your preceptor work with the Crohn’s and Colitis Foundation’s APP Preceptorship program.
It is one of my proudest accomplishments, particularly in the preceptorship program. As a patient, the Crohn’s and Colitis Foundation provided a lot of education and resources when my family was going through a tough time. To be able to give back to the foundation, whether that’s resources for patients or providers, is really great. It’s helped me grow a lot professionally. I realized I enjoyed educating not just my patients, but also my peers. While I worked at Mayo Clinic, I had a wonderful opportunity at a tertiary IBD center for students and advanced practice providers to come and shadow me in colorectal surgery and managing IBD patients.
Michele Rubin, MSN, an advanced practice nurse and Maureen Kelly, MS, RN, CPNP, a nurse practitioner, started the foundation’s preceptor program and graciously took me under their wing.
Originally, there was just one site at the University of Chicago. When I joined, it expanded to the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill for pediatric experience, and Mayo Clinic Rochester [Minnesota]. There are now seven participating host sites for the 2025 cycle.
The curriculum varies at each site based upon what resources are available. We really tried to tailor it to each individual preceptor. If there’s a nurse practitioner that used to be an ostomy nurse, maybe she’ll get time in the ostomy nurse area, but maybe she wants more time with the pharmacist or the radiologist.
If there is somebody who’s coming through that knows nothing about surgery, maybe they want a little bit more time in the surgical sphere. I tried to, when creating the curriculum for this, create a lot of options that existed for didactic learning as well as practical application.
You’re the assistant director of student success and development at the Medical College of Wisconsin, which launched a new Physician Associate Program. What’s happened with the program so far?
We do not have enrolled students yet. We are developing the program from the bottom up. I am one of four faculty, and then we have our founding director, Christine M. Everett, PhD, MPH, PA-C.
As we develop our program we are trying to keep a holistic approach in mind. We’re thinking about what a traditional student is vs a nontraditional student, and who we think will make great physician assistants. We pull from our own personal experiences as educators and experts in our field. As somebody who is academically minded, this program really spoke to me. Many PAs and nurse practitioners (NPs) fill a primary care role. But as we search to develop academically minded physician associates to join academic medical practices in an anticipated physician shortage, we want to hone in on some of these specialty care areas, recognizing that there is a place for us in academia and asking ‘what does that look like and how do we grow in those subspecialties?’
So, how can I help to foster that type of desire and growth and professional development in my students? That will be what we’re going to be tackling in our future cohorts.
Has the program generated a lot of interest?
Most PAs train in the region they are from and end up practicing there. So, our community and institution are very excited. There’s a lot of work in creating the program and making sure that the goals we have in mind will continue to grow with the profession. One of my neighbors who just started college reached out to me and said she wants to be a PA. We get emails regularly asking what people should do to prepare for PA school, and what are we looking for. PAs and NPs are growing professions. Both are on the top five list of best jobs ranked by U.S. News & World Report right now.
You’re the co-chair of AGA’s NPPA Task Force. What are the goals of this task force, specifically for 2025?
This is a new task force. We’re really excited about it, and we feel very supported by AGA. Specifically, we are focusing on content review and optimization. We’re working through and consulting on different proposals, such as how to have an NP/PA voice within AGA, or how certain proposals can be of interest to APPs or applicable to an APP practice.
One of our other goals is to grow our APP community opportunities, to find ways that we can all communicate with each other, share in our professional accomplishments, and be mentors and sponsors to each other to open the doors for professional growth within the GI space.
We are trying to create a sense of community within all the societies that APPs are involved in, and recognize everyone’s professional development and goals. We want to create a space to connect at some of our primary conferences and touchpoints, regardless of where your society home is.
We’ve also been asked to be a representative in helping to select the AGA-Pfizer Beacon of Hope Awards for Gender and Health Equity award recipients. We’re really proud that one of our task force members is going to be sitting on that committee to help select recipients of this award.
As a clinical expert in gastroenterology and colon and rectal surgery, you often present to national organizations like AGA, the Crohn’s and Colitis Foundation, and the American Society of Colon & Rectal Surgeons. What topics do you discuss and why?
It’s always been IBD because of my background. But I’ve also grown more in the colon/rectal surgery sphere, both in the inpatient, outpatient, and operating room setting. I enjoy presenting on topics like: What could you do right before you send a patient off to a tertiary IBD referral? I talk about complex disease management, especially the surgical realm of perianal Crohn’s disease. One of my colleagues jokes that one of her favorite talks I’ve ever given is how to perform a perianal examination. It’s a sensitive exam. I feel like I’m pretty good at it!
I also think it’s important to share information on how to write papers and how to present at conferences, because there are a lot of really smart NPs and PAs in GI and colorectal surgery who — for whatever reason — don’t know how to get their foot in the door for these types of opportunities. I love to be the person that opens that door. Do you want to be involved in a professional society? In what capacity? Making that information broadly available to everyone is something that I really love doing.
Describe a memorable patient encounter that helped shape your career.
I know this will sound so cliché, that there isn’t just one, but it’s true. There is a connection that I create with each and every one of my patients. I listen to their stories. They have whole lives outside of their disease, and I am honored that they open up to me — whether that is ongoing communication and check-ins with a patient’s family member a year after they’ve passed away, or every year receiving a Christmas card from a patient who is expanding their family because they’re finally in remission from their disease. These are the types of things that are so impactful and memorable.
Describe how you would spend a free Saturday afternoon.
I’m a mom to 7-year-old boy twins, and so I often don’t have a free Saturday. If I did, it would be sunny. I would go for a long run and then I would go out for brunch with my husband and then come home and read with my kids in a cozy blanket all day.
Lightning Round
What would you be if you weren’t a GI?
First grade teacher.
Last movie you watched?
Mufasa: The Lion King.
Best Halloween costume?
Velma from Scooby Doo.
Favorite sport?
To play – Tennis.
To watch – NBA basketball, “Go Timberwolves!”
Place you most want to travel to?
Greece
Favorite movie genre?
Rom-com.
Cat person or dog person?
Cat.
Favorite city besides the one you live in?
Manhattan.
Favorite season
Fall.
Favorite junk food?
Salty snack mix.
How many cups of coffee do you drink per day?
Three.
Abigail Meyers, MPAS, PA-C, was 9 years old when a diagnosis of ulcerative colitis set the trajectory of her future career.
“There weren’t a lot of medical therapies available back then,” recalls Meyers, who had to undergo multiple hospitalizations and surgeries for her condition. Medical staff would say: “Oh I know how you feel,” then retract their words when Meyers would ask if they had ever experienced a nasogastric tube or ileostomy.
“I’m going to go into healthcare. I’m going to take care of patients with inflammatory bowel disease [IBD] and I will never say ‘I know how you feel’ unless I truly mean it,” Meyers vowed to her mother one night at the hospital.
And that’s exactly what she did. During her training as a physician assistant (PA), Meyers had the opportunity to do an adult colorectal surgery rotation and a pediatric gastroenterology rotation. Another bonus: she got to work with the gastroenterologist who treated her when she was a 9-year-old patient.
Meyers has never told a patient, “I know how you feel.” Instead, she might say: “This is really hard. This is something new. This is a challenging moment. You’re allowed to feel upset, you’re allowed to feel disappointed, you’re allowed to feel scared.”
A clinical expert in gastroenterology and colon and rectal surgery, Meyers spent 10 years at the Mayo Clinic as a PA in colon and rectal surgery and gastroenterology. She currently works as the assistant director of student success and development at the Medical College of Wisconsin in Milwaukee.
On days where things are hard and the grind of the day-to-day work in healthcare becomes too challenging, “I get to remind myself that I do make an impact,” said Meyers. If a patient ever asks her, “Have you ever had an ileostomy before?” Meyers can honestly answer that she has and then describe what it was like.
“I think that allows them to have a little bit of an ‘aha’ moment or a breakthrough in their recovery journey or their acceptance journey, whatever that looks like through this disease process,” she said.
In an interview, she discussed the work she’s done on multiple fronts to guide the careers of advanced practice providers (APPs), and the special connection she has with her patients.
Tell me about your preceptor work with the Crohn’s and Colitis Foundation’s APP Preceptorship program.
It is one of my proudest accomplishments, particularly in the preceptorship program. As a patient, the Crohn’s and Colitis Foundation provided a lot of education and resources when my family was going through a tough time. To be able to give back to the foundation, whether that’s resources for patients or providers, is really great. It’s helped me grow a lot professionally. I realized I enjoyed educating not just my patients, but also my peers. While I worked at Mayo Clinic, I had a wonderful opportunity at a tertiary IBD center for students and advanced practice providers to come and shadow me in colorectal surgery and managing IBD patients.
Michele Rubin, MSN, an advanced practice nurse and Maureen Kelly, MS, RN, CPNP, a nurse practitioner, started the foundation’s preceptor program and graciously took me under their wing.
Originally, there was just one site at the University of Chicago. When I joined, it expanded to the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill for pediatric experience, and Mayo Clinic Rochester [Minnesota]. There are now seven participating host sites for the 2025 cycle.
The curriculum varies at each site based upon what resources are available. We really tried to tailor it to each individual preceptor. If there’s a nurse practitioner that used to be an ostomy nurse, maybe she’ll get time in the ostomy nurse area, but maybe she wants more time with the pharmacist or the radiologist.
If there is somebody who’s coming through that knows nothing about surgery, maybe they want a little bit more time in the surgical sphere. I tried to, when creating the curriculum for this, create a lot of options that existed for didactic learning as well as practical application.
You’re the assistant director of student success and development at the Medical College of Wisconsin, which launched a new Physician Associate Program. What’s happened with the program so far?
We do not have enrolled students yet. We are developing the program from the bottom up. I am one of four faculty, and then we have our founding director, Christine M. Everett, PhD, MPH, PA-C.
As we develop our program we are trying to keep a holistic approach in mind. We’re thinking about what a traditional student is vs a nontraditional student, and who we think will make great physician assistants. We pull from our own personal experiences as educators and experts in our field. As somebody who is academically minded, this program really spoke to me. Many PAs and nurse practitioners (NPs) fill a primary care role. But as we search to develop academically minded physician associates to join academic medical practices in an anticipated physician shortage, we want to hone in on some of these specialty care areas, recognizing that there is a place for us in academia and asking ‘what does that look like and how do we grow in those subspecialties?’
So, how can I help to foster that type of desire and growth and professional development in my students? That will be what we’re going to be tackling in our future cohorts.
Has the program generated a lot of interest?
Most PAs train in the region they are from and end up practicing there. So, our community and institution are very excited. There’s a lot of work in creating the program and making sure that the goals we have in mind will continue to grow with the profession. One of my neighbors who just started college reached out to me and said she wants to be a PA. We get emails regularly asking what people should do to prepare for PA school, and what are we looking for. PAs and NPs are growing professions. Both are on the top five list of best jobs ranked by U.S. News & World Report right now.
You’re the co-chair of AGA’s NPPA Task Force. What are the goals of this task force, specifically for 2025?
This is a new task force. We’re really excited about it, and we feel very supported by AGA. Specifically, we are focusing on content review and optimization. We’re working through and consulting on different proposals, such as how to have an NP/PA voice within AGA, or how certain proposals can be of interest to APPs or applicable to an APP practice.
One of our other goals is to grow our APP community opportunities, to find ways that we can all communicate with each other, share in our professional accomplishments, and be mentors and sponsors to each other to open the doors for professional growth within the GI space.
We are trying to create a sense of community within all the societies that APPs are involved in, and recognize everyone’s professional development and goals. We want to create a space to connect at some of our primary conferences and touchpoints, regardless of where your society home is.
We’ve also been asked to be a representative in helping to select the AGA-Pfizer Beacon of Hope Awards for Gender and Health Equity award recipients. We’re really proud that one of our task force members is going to be sitting on that committee to help select recipients of this award.
As a clinical expert in gastroenterology and colon and rectal surgery, you often present to national organizations like AGA, the Crohn’s and Colitis Foundation, and the American Society of Colon & Rectal Surgeons. What topics do you discuss and why?
It’s always been IBD because of my background. But I’ve also grown more in the colon/rectal surgery sphere, both in the inpatient, outpatient, and operating room setting. I enjoy presenting on topics like: What could you do right before you send a patient off to a tertiary IBD referral? I talk about complex disease management, especially the surgical realm of perianal Crohn’s disease. One of my colleagues jokes that one of her favorite talks I’ve ever given is how to perform a perianal examination. It’s a sensitive exam. I feel like I’m pretty good at it!
I also think it’s important to share information on how to write papers and how to present at conferences, because there are a lot of really smart NPs and PAs in GI and colorectal surgery who — for whatever reason — don’t know how to get their foot in the door for these types of opportunities. I love to be the person that opens that door. Do you want to be involved in a professional society? In what capacity? Making that information broadly available to everyone is something that I really love doing.
Describe a memorable patient encounter that helped shape your career.
I know this will sound so cliché, that there isn’t just one, but it’s true. There is a connection that I create with each and every one of my patients. I listen to their stories. They have whole lives outside of their disease, and I am honored that they open up to me — whether that is ongoing communication and check-ins with a patient’s family member a year after they’ve passed away, or every year receiving a Christmas card from a patient who is expanding their family because they’re finally in remission from their disease. These are the types of things that are so impactful and memorable.
Describe how you would spend a free Saturday afternoon.
I’m a mom to 7-year-old boy twins, and so I often don’t have a free Saturday. If I did, it would be sunny. I would go for a long run and then I would go out for brunch with my husband and then come home and read with my kids in a cozy blanket all day.
Lightning Round
What would you be if you weren’t a GI?
First grade teacher.
Last movie you watched?
Mufasa: The Lion King.
Best Halloween costume?
Velma from Scooby Doo.
Favorite sport?
To play – Tennis.
To watch – NBA basketball, “Go Timberwolves!”
Place you most want to travel to?
Greece
Favorite movie genre?
Rom-com.
Cat person or dog person?
Cat.
Favorite city besides the one you live in?
Manhattan.
Favorite season
Fall.
Favorite junk food?
Salty snack mix.
How many cups of coffee do you drink per day?
Three.
Abigail Meyers, MPAS, PA-C, was 9 years old when a diagnosis of ulcerative colitis set the trajectory of her future career.
“There weren’t a lot of medical therapies available back then,” recalls Meyers, who had to undergo multiple hospitalizations and surgeries for her condition. Medical staff would say: “Oh I know how you feel,” then retract their words when Meyers would ask if they had ever experienced a nasogastric tube or ileostomy.
“I’m going to go into healthcare. I’m going to take care of patients with inflammatory bowel disease [IBD] and I will never say ‘I know how you feel’ unless I truly mean it,” Meyers vowed to her mother one night at the hospital.
And that’s exactly what she did. During her training as a physician assistant (PA), Meyers had the opportunity to do an adult colorectal surgery rotation and a pediatric gastroenterology rotation. Another bonus: she got to work with the gastroenterologist who treated her when she was a 9-year-old patient.
Meyers has never told a patient, “I know how you feel.” Instead, she might say: “This is really hard. This is something new. This is a challenging moment. You’re allowed to feel upset, you’re allowed to feel disappointed, you’re allowed to feel scared.”
A clinical expert in gastroenterology and colon and rectal surgery, Meyers spent 10 years at the Mayo Clinic as a PA in colon and rectal surgery and gastroenterology. She currently works as the assistant director of student success and development at the Medical College of Wisconsin in Milwaukee.
On days where things are hard and the grind of the day-to-day work in healthcare becomes too challenging, “I get to remind myself that I do make an impact,” said Meyers. If a patient ever asks her, “Have you ever had an ileostomy before?” Meyers can honestly answer that she has and then describe what it was like.
“I think that allows them to have a little bit of an ‘aha’ moment or a breakthrough in their recovery journey or their acceptance journey, whatever that looks like through this disease process,” she said.
In an interview, she discussed the work she’s done on multiple fronts to guide the careers of advanced practice providers (APPs), and the special connection she has with her patients.
Tell me about your preceptor work with the Crohn’s and Colitis Foundation’s APP Preceptorship program.
It is one of my proudest accomplishments, particularly in the preceptorship program. As a patient, the Crohn’s and Colitis Foundation provided a lot of education and resources when my family was going through a tough time. To be able to give back to the foundation, whether that’s resources for patients or providers, is really great. It’s helped me grow a lot professionally. I realized I enjoyed educating not just my patients, but also my peers. While I worked at Mayo Clinic, I had a wonderful opportunity at a tertiary IBD center for students and advanced practice providers to come and shadow me in colorectal surgery and managing IBD patients.
Michele Rubin, MSN, an advanced practice nurse and Maureen Kelly, MS, RN, CPNP, a nurse practitioner, started the foundation’s preceptor program and graciously took me under their wing.
Originally, there was just one site at the University of Chicago. When I joined, it expanded to the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill for pediatric experience, and Mayo Clinic Rochester [Minnesota]. There are now seven participating host sites for the 2025 cycle.
The curriculum varies at each site based upon what resources are available. We really tried to tailor it to each individual preceptor. If there’s a nurse practitioner that used to be an ostomy nurse, maybe she’ll get time in the ostomy nurse area, but maybe she wants more time with the pharmacist or the radiologist.
If there is somebody who’s coming through that knows nothing about surgery, maybe they want a little bit more time in the surgical sphere. I tried to, when creating the curriculum for this, create a lot of options that existed for didactic learning as well as practical application.
You’re the assistant director of student success and development at the Medical College of Wisconsin, which launched a new Physician Associate Program. What’s happened with the program so far?
We do not have enrolled students yet. We are developing the program from the bottom up. I am one of four faculty, and then we have our founding director, Christine M. Everett, PhD, MPH, PA-C.
As we develop our program we are trying to keep a holistic approach in mind. We’re thinking about what a traditional student is vs a nontraditional student, and who we think will make great physician assistants. We pull from our own personal experiences as educators and experts in our field. As somebody who is academically minded, this program really spoke to me. Many PAs and nurse practitioners (NPs) fill a primary care role. But as we search to develop academically minded physician associates to join academic medical practices in an anticipated physician shortage, we want to hone in on some of these specialty care areas, recognizing that there is a place for us in academia and asking ‘what does that look like and how do we grow in those subspecialties?’
So, how can I help to foster that type of desire and growth and professional development in my students? That will be what we’re going to be tackling in our future cohorts.
Has the program generated a lot of interest?
Most PAs train in the region they are from and end up practicing there. So, our community and institution are very excited. There’s a lot of work in creating the program and making sure that the goals we have in mind will continue to grow with the profession. One of my neighbors who just started college reached out to me and said she wants to be a PA. We get emails regularly asking what people should do to prepare for PA school, and what are we looking for. PAs and NPs are growing professions. Both are on the top five list of best jobs ranked by U.S. News & World Report right now.
You’re the co-chair of AGA’s NPPA Task Force. What are the goals of this task force, specifically for 2025?
This is a new task force. We’re really excited about it, and we feel very supported by AGA. Specifically, we are focusing on content review and optimization. We’re working through and consulting on different proposals, such as how to have an NP/PA voice within AGA, or how certain proposals can be of interest to APPs or applicable to an APP practice.
One of our other goals is to grow our APP community opportunities, to find ways that we can all communicate with each other, share in our professional accomplishments, and be mentors and sponsors to each other to open the doors for professional growth within the GI space.
We are trying to create a sense of community within all the societies that APPs are involved in, and recognize everyone’s professional development and goals. We want to create a space to connect at some of our primary conferences and touchpoints, regardless of where your society home is.
We’ve also been asked to be a representative in helping to select the AGA-Pfizer Beacon of Hope Awards for Gender and Health Equity award recipients. We’re really proud that one of our task force members is going to be sitting on that committee to help select recipients of this award.
As a clinical expert in gastroenterology and colon and rectal surgery, you often present to national organizations like AGA, the Crohn’s and Colitis Foundation, and the American Society of Colon & Rectal Surgeons. What topics do you discuss and why?
It’s always been IBD because of my background. But I’ve also grown more in the colon/rectal surgery sphere, both in the inpatient, outpatient, and operating room setting. I enjoy presenting on topics like: What could you do right before you send a patient off to a tertiary IBD referral? I talk about complex disease management, especially the surgical realm of perianal Crohn’s disease. One of my colleagues jokes that one of her favorite talks I’ve ever given is how to perform a perianal examination. It’s a sensitive exam. I feel like I’m pretty good at it!
I also think it’s important to share information on how to write papers and how to present at conferences, because there are a lot of really smart NPs and PAs in GI and colorectal surgery who — for whatever reason — don’t know how to get their foot in the door for these types of opportunities. I love to be the person that opens that door. Do you want to be involved in a professional society? In what capacity? Making that information broadly available to everyone is something that I really love doing.
Describe a memorable patient encounter that helped shape your career.
I know this will sound so cliché, that there isn’t just one, but it’s true. There is a connection that I create with each and every one of my patients. I listen to their stories. They have whole lives outside of their disease, and I am honored that they open up to me — whether that is ongoing communication and check-ins with a patient’s family member a year after they’ve passed away, or every year receiving a Christmas card from a patient who is expanding their family because they’re finally in remission from their disease. These are the types of things that are so impactful and memorable.
Describe how you would spend a free Saturday afternoon.
I’m a mom to 7-year-old boy twins, and so I often don’t have a free Saturday. If I did, it would be sunny. I would go for a long run and then I would go out for brunch with my husband and then come home and read with my kids in a cozy blanket all day.
Lightning Round
What would you be if you weren’t a GI?
First grade teacher.
Last movie you watched?
Mufasa: The Lion King.
Best Halloween costume?
Velma from Scooby Doo.
Favorite sport?
To play – Tennis.
To watch – NBA basketball, “Go Timberwolves!”
Place you most want to travel to?
Greece
Favorite movie genre?
Rom-com.
Cat person or dog person?
Cat.
Favorite city besides the one you live in?
Manhattan.
Favorite season
Fall.
Favorite junk food?
Salty snack mix.
How many cups of coffee do you drink per day?
Three.
GI Doc Empowers Female Patients ‘To Be Themselves’
Pooja Singhal, MD, AGAF, will never forget the time a female patient came in for gastroesophageal reflux disease and dysphagia treatment, revealing that she had already gone through multiple gastroenterologists to help diagnose and treat her ailments.
“We spent a whole visit talking about it,” said Dr. Singhal, a gastroenterologist, hepatologist, and obesity medicine specialist at Oklahoma Gastro Health and Wellness in Oklahoma City. During the exam, she discovered that her middle-aged patient was wearing an adult diaper for diarrhea and leakage.
Previous GI doctors told the patient they couldn’t help her and that she had to live with these symptoms. “I was just so shocked. I told her: This is not normal. Let’s talk more about it. Let’s figure out how we can manage it,” said Dr. Singhal, who has spent her career advocating for more education about GI conditions.
There are real barriers to patients opening up and sharing their symptoms, especially if they’re female. while ensuring that the correct knowledge gets across to the public, said Dr. Singhal.
An alumna of the American Gastroenterological Association’s (AGA) Future Leaders Program, Dr. Singhal has served as the private practice course director for AGA’s Midwest Women in GI Workshop. She is a also a four-time recipient of the SCOPY award for her work in raising community awareness of colorectal cancer prevention in Oklahoma. In an interview, she discussed the critical role women GI doctors play in assisting the unique needs of female patients, and why it takes a village of doctors to treat the complexities of GI disorders.
Why did you choose GI, and more specifically, what brought about your interest in women’s GI issues?
GI is simply the best field. While I was doing my rotation in GI as a resident, I was enthralled and humbled that the field of gastroenterology offered an opportunity to prevent cancer. Colon cancer is the second leading cause of cancer related deaths, and when I realized that we could do these micro-interventions during a procedure to remove polyps that could potentially turn into cancer — or give us an opportunity to remove carcinoma in situ — that’s what really inspired me and piqued my interest in GI. As I continued to learn and explore GI more, I appreciated the opportunity the field gave us in terms of using both sides of our brains equally, the right side and the left side.
I love the diagnostic part of medicine. You have this privilege to be able to diagnose so many different diseases and perform procedures using technical skills, exploring everything from the esophagus, liver, pancreas, small bowel, and colon.
But what I really appreciate about gastroenterology is how it’s piqued my interest in women’s digestive health. How it became very close to my heart is really from my patients. I’ve learned a lot from my patients throughout the years. When I was much younger, I don’t know if I really appreciated the vulnerability it takes as a woman to go to a physician and talk about hemorrhoids and diarrhea.
One of the comments I often receive is: ‘Oh, thank God you’re a female GI. I can be myself. I can share something personal and you would understand.’
Your practice places a specific emphasis on health and wellness. Can you provide some examples of how you incorporate wellness into treatment?
I feel like wellness is very commonplace now. To me, the definition of wellness is about practicing healthy habits to attain your maximum potential, both physically and mentally — to feel the best you can. My practice specifically tries to achieve that goal by placing a strong emphasis on education and communication. We provide journals where patients can keep track of their symptoms. We encourage a lot of discussion during visits, where we talk about GI diseases and how to prevent them, or to prevent them from happening again. If you’re going to do a hemorrhoid treatment that offers hemorrhoid banding, we talk about it in detail with the patient; we don’t just do the procedure.
We have a dietitian on staff for conditions like inflammatory bowel disease, Crohn’s and ulcerative colitis, celiac disease, IBS. Some of our older patients have pelvic organ prolapse and fecal incontinence. We have a pelvic floor therapist and a urogynecologist, and we work very closely with ob-gyn teams. My practice also takes pride in communicating with primary care physicians. We’ve had patients who have had memory loss or dementia or are grieving the loss of a loved one. And we prioritize communicating and treating patients as a whole and not focusing on just their GI symptoms.
As an advocate for community education on GI disorders, where is education lacking in this field?
I think education is lacking because there is an information delivery gap. I feel the public consumes information in the form of short social media reels. The attention span is so short and any scientific information, especially around diseases, can be scary and overwhelming. Whereas I think a lot of the medical community still interacts and exchanges information in terms of journals and publications. So, we are not really trained necessarily to talk about diseases in very simple terms.
We need more advocacy efforts on Capitol Hill. AGA has been good about doing advocacy work. I had an opportunity to go to Capitol Hill a couple of times and really advocate for policy around obesity medicine coverage and procedure coverage. I was fortunate to learn so much about healthcare policy, but it also made me appreciate that there are a lot of gaps in terms of understanding common medical diseases.
You’re trained in the Orbera Intragastric balloon system for weight reduction. How does this procedure differentiate from other bariatric procedures?
Intragastric balloon is Food and Drug Administration approved for weight loss. It’s a temporary medical device, so it’s reversible. No. 2, it’s a nonsurgical intervention, so it’s usually done in an outpatient setting. We basically place a deflated gastric balloon endoscopically, similar to an upper endoscopy method. We take a pin endoscope, a deflated balloon, which is made of medical-grade material, and we inflate it with adequate fluid. The concept is when the balloon is inflated, it provides satiety. It reduces the amount of space in the stomach for food. It slows down how quickly the food is going to leave. So you feel full much of the time. And it also helps decrease a hormone called ghrelin, which is responsible for hunger. It can make a big difference when people are gaining weight and in that category of overweight before they progress to obese.
As I tell everybody, obesity is a chronic lifelong disease that is very complex and requires lifelong efforts. So, it’s truly a journey. What’s made this procedure a success is follow-up and the continued efforts of dietitians and counseling and incorporating physical exercise, because maintenance of that weight loss is also very important. Our goal is always sustained weight loss and not just short-term weight loss.
As the practice course director for the AGA’s Midwest Women in GI Workshop, can you tell me how this course came about? What does the workshop cover?
This workshop is a brainchild of AGA. This will be the third year of having these workshops. It’s been divided into regional workshops, so more people can attend. But it arose from the recognition that there is a need to have a support system, a forum where discussions on navigating career and life transitions with grace can happen, and more resources for success can be provided.
There is so much power in learning from shared experiences. And I think that was huge, to realize that we are not alone. We can celebrate our achievements together and acknowledge our challenges together, and then come together to brainstorm and innovate to solve problems and advocate for health equity.
You’ve been involved with community, non-profit organizations like the Homeless Alliance in Oklahoma City. How has this work enriched your life outside of medicine?
I feel like we sometimes get tunnel vision, talking to people in the same line of work. It was extremely important for me to broaden my horizons by learning from people outside of the medical community and from organizations like Homeless Alliance, which allowed me a platform to understand what my community needs. It’s an incredible organization that helps provide shelter not only for human beings, but also pets. The freezing temperatures over the last few months provided unique challenges like overflow in homeless shelters. I’ve learned so many things, such as how to ask for grants and how to allocate those funds. It has been absolutely enriching to me to learn about my community needs and see what an amazing difference people in the community are making.
Pooja Singhal, MD, AGAF, will never forget the time a female patient came in for gastroesophageal reflux disease and dysphagia treatment, revealing that she had already gone through multiple gastroenterologists to help diagnose and treat her ailments.
“We spent a whole visit talking about it,” said Dr. Singhal, a gastroenterologist, hepatologist, and obesity medicine specialist at Oklahoma Gastro Health and Wellness in Oklahoma City. During the exam, she discovered that her middle-aged patient was wearing an adult diaper for diarrhea and leakage.
Previous GI doctors told the patient they couldn’t help her and that she had to live with these symptoms. “I was just so shocked. I told her: This is not normal. Let’s talk more about it. Let’s figure out how we can manage it,” said Dr. Singhal, who has spent her career advocating for more education about GI conditions.
There are real barriers to patients opening up and sharing their symptoms, especially if they’re female. while ensuring that the correct knowledge gets across to the public, said Dr. Singhal.
An alumna of the American Gastroenterological Association’s (AGA) Future Leaders Program, Dr. Singhal has served as the private practice course director for AGA’s Midwest Women in GI Workshop. She is a also a four-time recipient of the SCOPY award for her work in raising community awareness of colorectal cancer prevention in Oklahoma. In an interview, she discussed the critical role women GI doctors play in assisting the unique needs of female patients, and why it takes a village of doctors to treat the complexities of GI disorders.
Why did you choose GI, and more specifically, what brought about your interest in women’s GI issues?
GI is simply the best field. While I was doing my rotation in GI as a resident, I was enthralled and humbled that the field of gastroenterology offered an opportunity to prevent cancer. Colon cancer is the second leading cause of cancer related deaths, and when I realized that we could do these micro-interventions during a procedure to remove polyps that could potentially turn into cancer — or give us an opportunity to remove carcinoma in situ — that’s what really inspired me and piqued my interest in GI. As I continued to learn and explore GI more, I appreciated the opportunity the field gave us in terms of using both sides of our brains equally, the right side and the left side.
I love the diagnostic part of medicine. You have this privilege to be able to diagnose so many different diseases and perform procedures using technical skills, exploring everything from the esophagus, liver, pancreas, small bowel, and colon.
But what I really appreciate about gastroenterology is how it’s piqued my interest in women’s digestive health. How it became very close to my heart is really from my patients. I’ve learned a lot from my patients throughout the years. When I was much younger, I don’t know if I really appreciated the vulnerability it takes as a woman to go to a physician and talk about hemorrhoids and diarrhea.
One of the comments I often receive is: ‘Oh, thank God you’re a female GI. I can be myself. I can share something personal and you would understand.’
Your practice places a specific emphasis on health and wellness. Can you provide some examples of how you incorporate wellness into treatment?
I feel like wellness is very commonplace now. To me, the definition of wellness is about practicing healthy habits to attain your maximum potential, both physically and mentally — to feel the best you can. My practice specifically tries to achieve that goal by placing a strong emphasis on education and communication. We provide journals where patients can keep track of their symptoms. We encourage a lot of discussion during visits, where we talk about GI diseases and how to prevent them, or to prevent them from happening again. If you’re going to do a hemorrhoid treatment that offers hemorrhoid banding, we talk about it in detail with the patient; we don’t just do the procedure.
We have a dietitian on staff for conditions like inflammatory bowel disease, Crohn’s and ulcerative colitis, celiac disease, IBS. Some of our older patients have pelvic organ prolapse and fecal incontinence. We have a pelvic floor therapist and a urogynecologist, and we work very closely with ob-gyn teams. My practice also takes pride in communicating with primary care physicians. We’ve had patients who have had memory loss or dementia or are grieving the loss of a loved one. And we prioritize communicating and treating patients as a whole and not focusing on just their GI symptoms.
As an advocate for community education on GI disorders, where is education lacking in this field?
I think education is lacking because there is an information delivery gap. I feel the public consumes information in the form of short social media reels. The attention span is so short and any scientific information, especially around diseases, can be scary and overwhelming. Whereas I think a lot of the medical community still interacts and exchanges information in terms of journals and publications. So, we are not really trained necessarily to talk about diseases in very simple terms.
We need more advocacy efforts on Capitol Hill. AGA has been good about doing advocacy work. I had an opportunity to go to Capitol Hill a couple of times and really advocate for policy around obesity medicine coverage and procedure coverage. I was fortunate to learn so much about healthcare policy, but it also made me appreciate that there are a lot of gaps in terms of understanding common medical diseases.
You’re trained in the Orbera Intragastric balloon system for weight reduction. How does this procedure differentiate from other bariatric procedures?
Intragastric balloon is Food and Drug Administration approved for weight loss. It’s a temporary medical device, so it’s reversible. No. 2, it’s a nonsurgical intervention, so it’s usually done in an outpatient setting. We basically place a deflated gastric balloon endoscopically, similar to an upper endoscopy method. We take a pin endoscope, a deflated balloon, which is made of medical-grade material, and we inflate it with adequate fluid. The concept is when the balloon is inflated, it provides satiety. It reduces the amount of space in the stomach for food. It slows down how quickly the food is going to leave. So you feel full much of the time. And it also helps decrease a hormone called ghrelin, which is responsible for hunger. It can make a big difference when people are gaining weight and in that category of overweight before they progress to obese.
As I tell everybody, obesity is a chronic lifelong disease that is very complex and requires lifelong efforts. So, it’s truly a journey. What’s made this procedure a success is follow-up and the continued efforts of dietitians and counseling and incorporating physical exercise, because maintenance of that weight loss is also very important. Our goal is always sustained weight loss and not just short-term weight loss.
As the practice course director for the AGA’s Midwest Women in GI Workshop, can you tell me how this course came about? What does the workshop cover?
This workshop is a brainchild of AGA. This will be the third year of having these workshops. It’s been divided into regional workshops, so more people can attend. But it arose from the recognition that there is a need to have a support system, a forum where discussions on navigating career and life transitions with grace can happen, and more resources for success can be provided.
There is so much power in learning from shared experiences. And I think that was huge, to realize that we are not alone. We can celebrate our achievements together and acknowledge our challenges together, and then come together to brainstorm and innovate to solve problems and advocate for health equity.
You’ve been involved with community, non-profit organizations like the Homeless Alliance in Oklahoma City. How has this work enriched your life outside of medicine?
I feel like we sometimes get tunnel vision, talking to people in the same line of work. It was extremely important for me to broaden my horizons by learning from people outside of the medical community and from organizations like Homeless Alliance, which allowed me a platform to understand what my community needs. It’s an incredible organization that helps provide shelter not only for human beings, but also pets. The freezing temperatures over the last few months provided unique challenges like overflow in homeless shelters. I’ve learned so many things, such as how to ask for grants and how to allocate those funds. It has been absolutely enriching to me to learn about my community needs and see what an amazing difference people in the community are making.
Pooja Singhal, MD, AGAF, will never forget the time a female patient came in for gastroesophageal reflux disease and dysphagia treatment, revealing that she had already gone through multiple gastroenterologists to help diagnose and treat her ailments.
“We spent a whole visit talking about it,” said Dr. Singhal, a gastroenterologist, hepatologist, and obesity medicine specialist at Oklahoma Gastro Health and Wellness in Oklahoma City. During the exam, she discovered that her middle-aged patient was wearing an adult diaper for diarrhea and leakage.
Previous GI doctors told the patient they couldn’t help her and that she had to live with these symptoms. “I was just so shocked. I told her: This is not normal. Let’s talk more about it. Let’s figure out how we can manage it,” said Dr. Singhal, who has spent her career advocating for more education about GI conditions.
There are real barriers to patients opening up and sharing their symptoms, especially if they’re female. while ensuring that the correct knowledge gets across to the public, said Dr. Singhal.
An alumna of the American Gastroenterological Association’s (AGA) Future Leaders Program, Dr. Singhal has served as the private practice course director for AGA’s Midwest Women in GI Workshop. She is a also a four-time recipient of the SCOPY award for her work in raising community awareness of colorectal cancer prevention in Oklahoma. In an interview, she discussed the critical role women GI doctors play in assisting the unique needs of female patients, and why it takes a village of doctors to treat the complexities of GI disorders.
Why did you choose GI, and more specifically, what brought about your interest in women’s GI issues?
GI is simply the best field. While I was doing my rotation in GI as a resident, I was enthralled and humbled that the field of gastroenterology offered an opportunity to prevent cancer. Colon cancer is the second leading cause of cancer related deaths, and when I realized that we could do these micro-interventions during a procedure to remove polyps that could potentially turn into cancer — or give us an opportunity to remove carcinoma in situ — that’s what really inspired me and piqued my interest in GI. As I continued to learn and explore GI more, I appreciated the opportunity the field gave us in terms of using both sides of our brains equally, the right side and the left side.
I love the diagnostic part of medicine. You have this privilege to be able to diagnose so many different diseases and perform procedures using technical skills, exploring everything from the esophagus, liver, pancreas, small bowel, and colon.
But what I really appreciate about gastroenterology is how it’s piqued my interest in women’s digestive health. How it became very close to my heart is really from my patients. I’ve learned a lot from my patients throughout the years. When I was much younger, I don’t know if I really appreciated the vulnerability it takes as a woman to go to a physician and talk about hemorrhoids and diarrhea.
One of the comments I often receive is: ‘Oh, thank God you’re a female GI. I can be myself. I can share something personal and you would understand.’
Your practice places a specific emphasis on health and wellness. Can you provide some examples of how you incorporate wellness into treatment?
I feel like wellness is very commonplace now. To me, the definition of wellness is about practicing healthy habits to attain your maximum potential, both physically and mentally — to feel the best you can. My practice specifically tries to achieve that goal by placing a strong emphasis on education and communication. We provide journals where patients can keep track of their symptoms. We encourage a lot of discussion during visits, where we talk about GI diseases and how to prevent them, or to prevent them from happening again. If you’re going to do a hemorrhoid treatment that offers hemorrhoid banding, we talk about it in detail with the patient; we don’t just do the procedure.
We have a dietitian on staff for conditions like inflammatory bowel disease, Crohn’s and ulcerative colitis, celiac disease, IBS. Some of our older patients have pelvic organ prolapse and fecal incontinence. We have a pelvic floor therapist and a urogynecologist, and we work very closely with ob-gyn teams. My practice also takes pride in communicating with primary care physicians. We’ve had patients who have had memory loss or dementia or are grieving the loss of a loved one. And we prioritize communicating and treating patients as a whole and not focusing on just their GI symptoms.
As an advocate for community education on GI disorders, where is education lacking in this field?
I think education is lacking because there is an information delivery gap. I feel the public consumes information in the form of short social media reels. The attention span is so short and any scientific information, especially around diseases, can be scary and overwhelming. Whereas I think a lot of the medical community still interacts and exchanges information in terms of journals and publications. So, we are not really trained necessarily to talk about diseases in very simple terms.
We need more advocacy efforts on Capitol Hill. AGA has been good about doing advocacy work. I had an opportunity to go to Capitol Hill a couple of times and really advocate for policy around obesity medicine coverage and procedure coverage. I was fortunate to learn so much about healthcare policy, but it also made me appreciate that there are a lot of gaps in terms of understanding common medical diseases.
You’re trained in the Orbera Intragastric balloon system for weight reduction. How does this procedure differentiate from other bariatric procedures?
Intragastric balloon is Food and Drug Administration approved for weight loss. It’s a temporary medical device, so it’s reversible. No. 2, it’s a nonsurgical intervention, so it’s usually done in an outpatient setting. We basically place a deflated gastric balloon endoscopically, similar to an upper endoscopy method. We take a pin endoscope, a deflated balloon, which is made of medical-grade material, and we inflate it with adequate fluid. The concept is when the balloon is inflated, it provides satiety. It reduces the amount of space in the stomach for food. It slows down how quickly the food is going to leave. So you feel full much of the time. And it also helps decrease a hormone called ghrelin, which is responsible for hunger. It can make a big difference when people are gaining weight and in that category of overweight before they progress to obese.
As I tell everybody, obesity is a chronic lifelong disease that is very complex and requires lifelong efforts. So, it’s truly a journey. What’s made this procedure a success is follow-up and the continued efforts of dietitians and counseling and incorporating physical exercise, because maintenance of that weight loss is also very important. Our goal is always sustained weight loss and not just short-term weight loss.
As the practice course director for the AGA’s Midwest Women in GI Workshop, can you tell me how this course came about? What does the workshop cover?
This workshop is a brainchild of AGA. This will be the third year of having these workshops. It’s been divided into regional workshops, so more people can attend. But it arose from the recognition that there is a need to have a support system, a forum where discussions on navigating career and life transitions with grace can happen, and more resources for success can be provided.
There is so much power in learning from shared experiences. And I think that was huge, to realize that we are not alone. We can celebrate our achievements together and acknowledge our challenges together, and then come together to brainstorm and innovate to solve problems and advocate for health equity.
You’ve been involved with community, non-profit organizations like the Homeless Alliance in Oklahoma City. How has this work enriched your life outside of medicine?
I feel like we sometimes get tunnel vision, talking to people in the same line of work. It was extremely important for me to broaden my horizons by learning from people outside of the medical community and from organizations like Homeless Alliance, which allowed me a platform to understand what my community needs. It’s an incredible organization that helps provide shelter not only for human beings, but also pets. The freezing temperatures over the last few months provided unique challenges like overflow in homeless shelters. I’ve learned so many things, such as how to ask for grants and how to allocate those funds. It has been absolutely enriching to me to learn about my community needs and see what an amazing difference people in the community are making.
Endoscopist Brings Cutting-Edge Tech to Asia-Pacific Region
As the COVID-19 crisis unfolded in early 2020, Tossapol Kerdsirichairat, MD, faced another challenge: his mother’s ovarian cancer diagnosis.
“She chose to remain in Thailand, so I decided to relocate to care for her,” said Dr. Kerdsirichairat, an interventional endoscopist who completed fellowships at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, and Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore. The move to Bangkok turned out to be one of the best decisions of his life, he said, as he could support his mother while introducing advanced endoscopic techniques and devices to the region.
“Bangkok is a hub for medical innovation in Asia, offering opportunities to work with a diverse patient population and access to cutting-edge technology,” said Dr. Kerdsirichairat, who works at Bumrungrad International Hospital as a clinical associate professor.
The program is the first of its kind in Thailand and one of the few in the Asia-Pacific region.
“I guide patients and families through understanding their risks and implementing preventive strategies, collaborating with multidisciplinary teams to ensure comprehensive care. It’s incredibly rewarding to see the impact of early tumor detection,” said Dr. Kerdsirichairat, an international member of AGA who was a participant in the AGA Young Delegates Program.
He has set several records in Thailand for the smallest tumor detected, including a 0.3-millimeter (mm) esophageal tumor, a 0.8-mm tumor for stomach cancer, a 5-mm pancreatic tumor, and a 1-mm tumor for colon cancer.
“These were detected through high-standard screening programs, as patients often do not develop symptoms from these subtle lesions,” said Dr. Kerdsirichairat, who discussed in an interview the unique challenges of practicing overseas.
Why did you choose GI?
Gastroenterology is a specialty that uniquely integrates procedural skill, clinical decision making, and a deep understanding of complex biological systems. I was drawn especially to the ability to make a direct and meaningful impact in patients’ lives through advanced endoscopic procedures, while also addressing both acute and chronic diseases, and focusing on cancer prevention. It is incredibly rewarding to perform an endoscopic retrograde cholangiopancreatography (ERCP) for cholangitis and see a patient return to normal the very next day, or to perform an endoscopic ultrasound (EUS) for pancreatic cancer screening in high-risk individuals and detect a sub-centimeter pancreatic tumor.
Realizing that early detection can improve survival by threefold after surgery is a powerful reminder of the difference we can make in patients’ lives. This specialty requires a delicate balance of precision and empathy, which perfectly aligns with my strengths and values as a physician.
You have a wide variety of clinical interests, from endoscopic procedures to cancer research to GERD. What’s your key subspecialty and why?
My primary specialty is advanced endoscopy, which includes techniques such as EUS, ERCP, and endoscopic resection of precancerous and early cancerous lesions. I also focus on cutting-edge, evidence-based techniques recently included in clinical guidelines, such as Transoral Incisionless Fundoplication (TIF). These minimally invasive options allow me to diagnose and treat conditions that once required surgery. The precision and innovation involved in advanced endoscopy enable me to effectively manage complex cases—from diagnosing early cancers to managing bile duct obstructions and resecting precancerous lesions.
Can you describe your work in cancer genetics and screening?
I am deeply committed to the early detection of gastrointestinal cancers, particularly through screening for precancerous conditions and hereditary syndromes. During my general GI training at the University of Michigan, I had the privilege of working with Grace Elta, MD, AGAF, and Michelle Anderson, MD, MSc, renowned experts in pancreatic cancer management. I was later trained by Anne Marie Lennon, PhD, AGAF, who pioneered the liquid biopsy technique for cancer screening through the CancerSEEK project, and Marcia (Mimi) Canto, MD, MHS, who initiated the Cancer of the Pancreas Screening project for high-risk individuals of pancreatic cancer.
I also had the distinction of being the first at Bumrungrad International Hospital to perform endoscopic drainage for pancreatic fluid collections in the setting of multi-organ failure. This endoscopic approach has been extensively validated in the medical literature as significantly improving survival rates compared to surgical drainage. My training in this specialized procedure was conducted under the guidance of the premier group for necrotizing pancreatitis, led by Martin Freeman, MD, at the University of Minnesota.
Later, I contributed to overseeing the Inherited Gastrointestinal Malignancy Clinic of MyCode, a large-scale population-based cohort program focused on cancer screening in Pennsylvania. By December 2024, MyCode had collected blood samples from over 258,000 individuals, analyzed DNA sequences from over 184,000, and provided clinical data that benefits over 142,000 patients. It’s not uncommon for healthy 25-year-old patients to come to our clinic for colon cancer screening after learning from the program that they carry a cancer syndrome, and early screening can potentially save their lives.
What are the key differences between training and practicing medicine in the United States and in an Asian country?
The U.S. healthcare system is deeply rooted in evidence-based protocols and multidisciplinary care, driven by an insurance-based model. In contrast, many Asian countries face challenges such as the dependency on government approval for certain treatments and insurance limitations. Practicing in Asia requires navigating unique cultural, economic, and systemic differences, including varying resource availability and disease prevalence.
What specific challenges have you faced as a GI in Thailand?
As an advanced endoscopist, one of the biggest challenges I faced initially was the difficulty in obtaining the same devices I used in the U.S. for use in Thailand. With support from device companies and mentors in the U.S., I was able to perform groundbreaking procedures, such as the TIF in Southeast Asia and the first use of a full-thickness resection device in Thailand. I am also proud to be part of one of the first few centers worldwide performing the combination of injectable semaglutide and endoscopic sleeve gastroplasty, resulting in a remarkable weight reduction of 44%, comparable to surgical gastric bypass.
In addition, Bumrungrad International Hospital, where I practice, sees over 1.1 million visits annually from patients from more than 190 countries. This offers a unique opportunity to engage with a global patient base and learn from diverse cultures. Over time, although the hospital has professional interpreters for all languages, I have become able to communicate basic sentences with international patients in their preferred languages, including Chinese, Japanese, and Arabic, which has enriched my practice.
What’s your favorite thing to do when you’re not practicing GI?
I enjoy traveling, exploring new cuisines, and spending quality time with family and friends. These activities help me recharge and offer fresh perspectives on life.
Lightning Round
Texting or talking?
Talking. It’s more personal and meaningful.
Favorite city in the U.S.?
Ann Arbor, Michigan
Cat or dog person?
Dog person
Favorite junk food?
Pizza
How many cups of coffee do you drink per day?
Two – just enough to stay sharp, but not jittery.
If you weren’t a GI, what would you be?
Architect
Best place you went on vacation?
Kyoto, Japan
Favorite sport?
Skiing
Favorite ice cream?
Matcha green tea
What song do you have to sing along with when you hear it?
“Everybody” by Backstreet Boys
Favorite movie or TV show?
Forrest Gump and Friends
Optimist or pessimist?
Optimist. I believe in focusing on solutions and possibilities.
As the COVID-19 crisis unfolded in early 2020, Tossapol Kerdsirichairat, MD, faced another challenge: his mother’s ovarian cancer diagnosis.
“She chose to remain in Thailand, so I decided to relocate to care for her,” said Dr. Kerdsirichairat, an interventional endoscopist who completed fellowships at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, and Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore. The move to Bangkok turned out to be one of the best decisions of his life, he said, as he could support his mother while introducing advanced endoscopic techniques and devices to the region.
“Bangkok is a hub for medical innovation in Asia, offering opportunities to work with a diverse patient population and access to cutting-edge technology,” said Dr. Kerdsirichairat, who works at Bumrungrad International Hospital as a clinical associate professor.
The program is the first of its kind in Thailand and one of the few in the Asia-Pacific region.
“I guide patients and families through understanding their risks and implementing preventive strategies, collaborating with multidisciplinary teams to ensure comprehensive care. It’s incredibly rewarding to see the impact of early tumor detection,” said Dr. Kerdsirichairat, an international member of AGA who was a participant in the AGA Young Delegates Program.
He has set several records in Thailand for the smallest tumor detected, including a 0.3-millimeter (mm) esophageal tumor, a 0.8-mm tumor for stomach cancer, a 5-mm pancreatic tumor, and a 1-mm tumor for colon cancer.
“These were detected through high-standard screening programs, as patients often do not develop symptoms from these subtle lesions,” said Dr. Kerdsirichairat, who discussed in an interview the unique challenges of practicing overseas.
Why did you choose GI?
Gastroenterology is a specialty that uniquely integrates procedural skill, clinical decision making, and a deep understanding of complex biological systems. I was drawn especially to the ability to make a direct and meaningful impact in patients’ lives through advanced endoscopic procedures, while also addressing both acute and chronic diseases, and focusing on cancer prevention. It is incredibly rewarding to perform an endoscopic retrograde cholangiopancreatography (ERCP) for cholangitis and see a patient return to normal the very next day, or to perform an endoscopic ultrasound (EUS) for pancreatic cancer screening in high-risk individuals and detect a sub-centimeter pancreatic tumor.
Realizing that early detection can improve survival by threefold after surgery is a powerful reminder of the difference we can make in patients’ lives. This specialty requires a delicate balance of precision and empathy, which perfectly aligns with my strengths and values as a physician.
You have a wide variety of clinical interests, from endoscopic procedures to cancer research to GERD. What’s your key subspecialty and why?
My primary specialty is advanced endoscopy, which includes techniques such as EUS, ERCP, and endoscopic resection of precancerous and early cancerous lesions. I also focus on cutting-edge, evidence-based techniques recently included in clinical guidelines, such as Transoral Incisionless Fundoplication (TIF). These minimally invasive options allow me to diagnose and treat conditions that once required surgery. The precision and innovation involved in advanced endoscopy enable me to effectively manage complex cases—from diagnosing early cancers to managing bile duct obstructions and resecting precancerous lesions.
Can you describe your work in cancer genetics and screening?
I am deeply committed to the early detection of gastrointestinal cancers, particularly through screening for precancerous conditions and hereditary syndromes. During my general GI training at the University of Michigan, I had the privilege of working with Grace Elta, MD, AGAF, and Michelle Anderson, MD, MSc, renowned experts in pancreatic cancer management. I was later trained by Anne Marie Lennon, PhD, AGAF, who pioneered the liquid biopsy technique for cancer screening through the CancerSEEK project, and Marcia (Mimi) Canto, MD, MHS, who initiated the Cancer of the Pancreas Screening project for high-risk individuals of pancreatic cancer.
I also had the distinction of being the first at Bumrungrad International Hospital to perform endoscopic drainage for pancreatic fluid collections in the setting of multi-organ failure. This endoscopic approach has been extensively validated in the medical literature as significantly improving survival rates compared to surgical drainage. My training in this specialized procedure was conducted under the guidance of the premier group for necrotizing pancreatitis, led by Martin Freeman, MD, at the University of Minnesota.
Later, I contributed to overseeing the Inherited Gastrointestinal Malignancy Clinic of MyCode, a large-scale population-based cohort program focused on cancer screening in Pennsylvania. By December 2024, MyCode had collected blood samples from over 258,000 individuals, analyzed DNA sequences from over 184,000, and provided clinical data that benefits over 142,000 patients. It’s not uncommon for healthy 25-year-old patients to come to our clinic for colon cancer screening after learning from the program that they carry a cancer syndrome, and early screening can potentially save their lives.
What are the key differences between training and practicing medicine in the United States and in an Asian country?
The U.S. healthcare system is deeply rooted in evidence-based protocols and multidisciplinary care, driven by an insurance-based model. In contrast, many Asian countries face challenges such as the dependency on government approval for certain treatments and insurance limitations. Practicing in Asia requires navigating unique cultural, economic, and systemic differences, including varying resource availability and disease prevalence.
What specific challenges have you faced as a GI in Thailand?
As an advanced endoscopist, one of the biggest challenges I faced initially was the difficulty in obtaining the same devices I used in the U.S. for use in Thailand. With support from device companies and mentors in the U.S., I was able to perform groundbreaking procedures, such as the TIF in Southeast Asia and the first use of a full-thickness resection device in Thailand. I am also proud to be part of one of the first few centers worldwide performing the combination of injectable semaglutide and endoscopic sleeve gastroplasty, resulting in a remarkable weight reduction of 44%, comparable to surgical gastric bypass.
In addition, Bumrungrad International Hospital, where I practice, sees over 1.1 million visits annually from patients from more than 190 countries. This offers a unique opportunity to engage with a global patient base and learn from diverse cultures. Over time, although the hospital has professional interpreters for all languages, I have become able to communicate basic sentences with international patients in their preferred languages, including Chinese, Japanese, and Arabic, which has enriched my practice.
What’s your favorite thing to do when you’re not practicing GI?
I enjoy traveling, exploring new cuisines, and spending quality time with family and friends. These activities help me recharge and offer fresh perspectives on life.
Lightning Round
Texting or talking?
Talking. It’s more personal and meaningful.
Favorite city in the U.S.?
Ann Arbor, Michigan
Cat or dog person?
Dog person
Favorite junk food?
Pizza
How many cups of coffee do you drink per day?
Two – just enough to stay sharp, but not jittery.
If you weren’t a GI, what would you be?
Architect
Best place you went on vacation?
Kyoto, Japan
Favorite sport?
Skiing
Favorite ice cream?
Matcha green tea
What song do you have to sing along with when you hear it?
“Everybody” by Backstreet Boys
Favorite movie or TV show?
Forrest Gump and Friends
Optimist or pessimist?
Optimist. I believe in focusing on solutions and possibilities.
As the COVID-19 crisis unfolded in early 2020, Tossapol Kerdsirichairat, MD, faced another challenge: his mother’s ovarian cancer diagnosis.
“She chose to remain in Thailand, so I decided to relocate to care for her,” said Dr. Kerdsirichairat, an interventional endoscopist who completed fellowships at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, and Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore. The move to Bangkok turned out to be one of the best decisions of his life, he said, as he could support his mother while introducing advanced endoscopic techniques and devices to the region.
“Bangkok is a hub for medical innovation in Asia, offering opportunities to work with a diverse patient population and access to cutting-edge technology,” said Dr. Kerdsirichairat, who works at Bumrungrad International Hospital as a clinical associate professor.
The program is the first of its kind in Thailand and one of the few in the Asia-Pacific region.
“I guide patients and families through understanding their risks and implementing preventive strategies, collaborating with multidisciplinary teams to ensure comprehensive care. It’s incredibly rewarding to see the impact of early tumor detection,” said Dr. Kerdsirichairat, an international member of AGA who was a participant in the AGA Young Delegates Program.
He has set several records in Thailand for the smallest tumor detected, including a 0.3-millimeter (mm) esophageal tumor, a 0.8-mm tumor for stomach cancer, a 5-mm pancreatic tumor, and a 1-mm tumor for colon cancer.
“These were detected through high-standard screening programs, as patients often do not develop symptoms from these subtle lesions,” said Dr. Kerdsirichairat, who discussed in an interview the unique challenges of practicing overseas.
Why did you choose GI?
Gastroenterology is a specialty that uniquely integrates procedural skill, clinical decision making, and a deep understanding of complex biological systems. I was drawn especially to the ability to make a direct and meaningful impact in patients’ lives through advanced endoscopic procedures, while also addressing both acute and chronic diseases, and focusing on cancer prevention. It is incredibly rewarding to perform an endoscopic retrograde cholangiopancreatography (ERCP) for cholangitis and see a patient return to normal the very next day, or to perform an endoscopic ultrasound (EUS) for pancreatic cancer screening in high-risk individuals and detect a sub-centimeter pancreatic tumor.
Realizing that early detection can improve survival by threefold after surgery is a powerful reminder of the difference we can make in patients’ lives. This specialty requires a delicate balance of precision and empathy, which perfectly aligns with my strengths and values as a physician.
You have a wide variety of clinical interests, from endoscopic procedures to cancer research to GERD. What’s your key subspecialty and why?
My primary specialty is advanced endoscopy, which includes techniques such as EUS, ERCP, and endoscopic resection of precancerous and early cancerous lesions. I also focus on cutting-edge, evidence-based techniques recently included in clinical guidelines, such as Transoral Incisionless Fundoplication (TIF). These minimally invasive options allow me to diagnose and treat conditions that once required surgery. The precision and innovation involved in advanced endoscopy enable me to effectively manage complex cases—from diagnosing early cancers to managing bile duct obstructions and resecting precancerous lesions.
Can you describe your work in cancer genetics and screening?
I am deeply committed to the early detection of gastrointestinal cancers, particularly through screening for precancerous conditions and hereditary syndromes. During my general GI training at the University of Michigan, I had the privilege of working with Grace Elta, MD, AGAF, and Michelle Anderson, MD, MSc, renowned experts in pancreatic cancer management. I was later trained by Anne Marie Lennon, PhD, AGAF, who pioneered the liquid biopsy technique for cancer screening through the CancerSEEK project, and Marcia (Mimi) Canto, MD, MHS, who initiated the Cancer of the Pancreas Screening project for high-risk individuals of pancreatic cancer.
I also had the distinction of being the first at Bumrungrad International Hospital to perform endoscopic drainage for pancreatic fluid collections in the setting of multi-organ failure. This endoscopic approach has been extensively validated in the medical literature as significantly improving survival rates compared to surgical drainage. My training in this specialized procedure was conducted under the guidance of the premier group for necrotizing pancreatitis, led by Martin Freeman, MD, at the University of Minnesota.
Later, I contributed to overseeing the Inherited Gastrointestinal Malignancy Clinic of MyCode, a large-scale population-based cohort program focused on cancer screening in Pennsylvania. By December 2024, MyCode had collected blood samples from over 258,000 individuals, analyzed DNA sequences from over 184,000, and provided clinical data that benefits over 142,000 patients. It’s not uncommon for healthy 25-year-old patients to come to our clinic for colon cancer screening after learning from the program that they carry a cancer syndrome, and early screening can potentially save their lives.
What are the key differences between training and practicing medicine in the United States and in an Asian country?
The U.S. healthcare system is deeply rooted in evidence-based protocols and multidisciplinary care, driven by an insurance-based model. In contrast, many Asian countries face challenges such as the dependency on government approval for certain treatments and insurance limitations. Practicing in Asia requires navigating unique cultural, economic, and systemic differences, including varying resource availability and disease prevalence.
What specific challenges have you faced as a GI in Thailand?
As an advanced endoscopist, one of the biggest challenges I faced initially was the difficulty in obtaining the same devices I used in the U.S. for use in Thailand. With support from device companies and mentors in the U.S., I was able to perform groundbreaking procedures, such as the TIF in Southeast Asia and the first use of a full-thickness resection device in Thailand. I am also proud to be part of one of the first few centers worldwide performing the combination of injectable semaglutide and endoscopic sleeve gastroplasty, resulting in a remarkable weight reduction of 44%, comparable to surgical gastric bypass.
In addition, Bumrungrad International Hospital, where I practice, sees over 1.1 million visits annually from patients from more than 190 countries. This offers a unique opportunity to engage with a global patient base and learn from diverse cultures. Over time, although the hospital has professional interpreters for all languages, I have become able to communicate basic sentences with international patients in their preferred languages, including Chinese, Japanese, and Arabic, which has enriched my practice.
What’s your favorite thing to do when you’re not practicing GI?
I enjoy traveling, exploring new cuisines, and spending quality time with family and friends. These activities help me recharge and offer fresh perspectives on life.
Lightning Round
Texting or talking?
Talking. It’s more personal and meaningful.
Favorite city in the U.S.?
Ann Arbor, Michigan
Cat or dog person?
Dog person
Favorite junk food?
Pizza
How many cups of coffee do you drink per day?
Two – just enough to stay sharp, but not jittery.
If you weren’t a GI, what would you be?
Architect
Best place you went on vacation?
Kyoto, Japan
Favorite sport?
Skiing
Favorite ice cream?
Matcha green tea
What song do you have to sing along with when you hear it?
“Everybody” by Backstreet Boys
Favorite movie or TV show?
Forrest Gump and Friends
Optimist or pessimist?
Optimist. I believe in focusing on solutions and possibilities.
Three Sisters Embrace ‘Collaborative Spirit’ of GI Science
They all share the same genes—and job title.
Each has her own lab, working in different specialties. But if one sister needs the others, it’s reassuring to know they’re not far away.
“We have very different points of view. I’m interested in microbes. Amy’s really interested in myosin mediated trafficking and Kristen’s interested in viruses and purinergic signaling. It’s awesome that we can all work in the same field but have very different questions. And there’s so many questions that we can tackle,” said Mindy Engevik, the oldest of the trio.
If Mindy’s students need help with staining, she sends them to Amy’s lab. If they need help with calcium signaling and live cell imaging, she’ll send them to Kristen’s lab. “We interchange our expertise a lot,” said Mindy.
It’s nice to have a sister down the hall at work who can advise you on RNA sequencing analysis or immunofluorescence imaging, noted Amy Engevik. “You can ask them: ‘Can you just walk my student through this for a minute?’ Or, could they help with organoid cultures you don’t have time for right now?”
Kristen, who joined her older sisters at MUSC in 2024, observed that “having a little bit of the variety with our backgrounds and training really helps bring out the collaborative spirit of science.”
In an interview, the Engevik sisters spoke more about their familial network, their shared love of gastroenterology (GI) science, and how they’ve parlayed their expertise into other critical areas of research.
Growing up, did you ever think that you would choose similar career paths? How did you all become interested in GI research?
Mindy Engevik: As kids we were all interested in nature and the world around us. We all liked being outside. Amy and I were obsessed with rocks and classifying plants and rocks. We all had a general interest in science. But I personally didn’t think that all three of us would go into the same thing and that we’d be working together as adults.
Amy Engevik: Once we got into high school and college, we all became very close and we all majored in biology. That set the stage for our interest in science and our love of science. Then, we all kind of fell in love with the GI tract and chose postdocs that were GI focused. Since Mindy and I graduated a year apart, ultimately our goal was to form a lab and work together.
Kristen Engevik: I was interested in science when my sisters were both at college studying for biology and talking about the things they were learning in microbiology and physiology. But I don’t think until I joined the PhD program that I was ever like: ‘Oh yeah, we’re all going to be in science and it’s all going to be one big giant collaborative multi-lab collaboration.’
What do each of you love about the field of gastroenterology?
Mindy Engevik: At our heart, we’re all people that love problem solving. A fun fact about us is on Thursdays once a month, we do a puzzle competition here in Charleston. We’re really into it. But I think we genuinely like the problem-solving nature of the GI tract, and there’s so many diverse questions that you can answer.
Amy Engevik: I love that the scientific community in the GI community is so wonderful. They are very kind, helpful people. Some other fields are more competitive and more cutthroat. I feel like I have such a great network of people to reach out to if I have problems or questions. And I think other fields don’t have such a wonderful welcoming community that is very inclusive and dynamic.
Kristen Engevik: The nice thing with studying the GI tract is all things essentially lead to the gut. You can collaborate with other scientists and go into the gut-brain axis, or there’s the cardiovascular-gut axis and all these different places that you can also go, or different diseases that don’t necessarily seem to originate at the gut but have a lot of effects on the gut. There’s a lot of variation that we can do within GI.
Each of you has focused on a different area of digestive disease. Can each of you briefly discuss your areas of study and any findings or discoveries you’d like to highlight?
Mindy Engevik: My research focuses on microbial-host interactions. We’re really interested in how microbes colonize the gastrointestinal tract, how they interact with mucus – which I think is an important aspect of the gut that sometimes is overlooked – and how their metabolites really impact host health. One thing that I’m particularly proud of is we’ve really been starting to understand the neurotransmitters that bacteria generate and how they influence specific cells within the gut. It’s an exciting time to be doing both microbiology and gut physiology.
Amy Engevik: I study the host side of things; the gastric or the GI epithelium, and how a specific molecular motor contributes to trafficking in the GI tract. Recently, I’ve been going back to some of my PhD work in the stomach. In a high fat diet model, we’re finding that there are early metaplastic changes in the stomach. I think the stomach is very often overlooked within the GI tract. And I think it really sets the stage for the lower GI tract for the microbiome that colonizes the colon and the small intestine. I think that changes in the stomach really should come to the forefront of GI. Those changes have profound impacts on things like colorectal cancer and inflammatory bowel disease.
Kristen Engevik: I’m also more on the epithelial side with Amy. My new lab’s work is going to be focusing on understanding cell communications, specifically through extracellular purines, which is known as purinergic signaling, and understanding what the effects are during both homeostasis and disease, since it hasn’t been studied within the gut itself. From my work in postdoctoral training, we found that this communication is important for a lot of aspects, specifically during viral infection. But I have some preliminary data that shows it may also have an important role during disease, like colitis. My lab is interested in understanding what this epithelial communication is and are there ways to increase or decrease the signaling depending on the disease.
You’re all skilled in analyzing bioinformatics data. How do you apply this skill in your GI research?
Mindy Engevik: We all got our PhDs in systems biology and physiology, so we were forced to take computational analysis classes. I remember at the time thinking, ‘Oh, I’m probably not going to use a bunch of this.’ And then it really captured our attention. We realized how valuable it was and how much information you could glean.
We do a lot of work using publicly available data sets. I think there’s a wealth of information out there now with single cell sequencing data and bulk RNA sequencing data of different sites in the GI tract. It’s been a very valuable time to data mine and look especially at inflammatory bowel disease and colorectal cancer. We’ve been really focused on all our favorite genes of interest. I’ve been looking at a lot of the mucins and IBD (inflammatory bowel disease) and cancer. Amy’s been looking at Myosin-Vb and other myosin and binding partners like Rabs, and Kristen has been looking at purinergic signaling receptors.
All three of you recently worked together to identify a possible genetic driver of uterine corpus endometrial cancer, the fourth deadliest cancer in women. Where are you in the research process right now?
Mindy Engevik: Our mom was diagnosed with cancer, so we took quite a bit of time off to go to California to help her with her chemotherapy, surgery, and radiation. While we were there, we decided to do some computational analyses of cancers that affect women as our way to deal with this devastating disease. We were really fascinated to find that Myosin-Vb, which is Amy’s favorite gene of interest, was highly up-regulated in tumors from uterine and corpus endometrial cancer.
This was independent of the age of the patient, the stage of the cancer, the grade of the tumors. We figured out that the promoter region of the gene was hypomethylated, so it was having a higher expression. And that led to changes in metabolism and it linked very closely with what we were seeing in the gut, what Myosin-Vb was doing. We have some uterine cancer tumor cells in the lab that we’ve been growing and we’re going to really prove that it’s Myosin-Vb that’s driving some of these metabolism phenotypes. And the nice thing is at least there is a Myosin-Vb inhibitor available.
We also have a paper under review, identifying what Myosin-Vb is doing in cancer in the colon. So we’re excited to continue both the uterine cancer part but then also the colorectal cancer part using our same processes.
Amy Engevik: We’re going to be generating a mouse model that I think will be helpful since it’s in vivo. Sometimes things in vivo behave very differently than they do in vitro, so I think it’ll be a nice coupling of in vitro data with in vivo, taking that computational base and expanding it into more mechanistic studies and more experimental approaches where we can actually develop uterine cancer in the mice and then see if we can knock out Myosin-Vb specifically in that tissue and prevent it from either happening in the first place or decrease its pathogenesis.
What challenges have you faced in your career? How do you offer each other support?
Mindy Engevik: I think for any female scientists trying to have an independent career, there are some hurdles. An article in Nature recently stated that women receive less credit than their male counterparts and another article in Science demonstrated that women who are last authors on publications are cited less. That’s something that all women must deal with everywhere. I think it’s been incredibly helpful for us since there’s three of us. I think it gives us extra visibility in the field.
Amy Engevik: There’s a lot of microaggressions and things that can hinder your career success. I think that we’ve definitely had that. And I think the academic landscape is changing a little bit now that more women are becoming principal investigators and then rising through the ranks of academia. So I think there’s a lot of hope for the future women, but I think it’s still quite challenging.
Kristen Engevik: Things do seem to be getting better as there are more women as faculty members in certain departments. Science is getting better as things progress. However, there are still a lot of difficulties in trying to get credit for what you do, and getting the promotions.
Mindy Engevik: We have a built-in sisterhood, if you will. So I’m always going to champion Amy or Kristen. If there’s an award that I can nominate them for, I’m always going to do it. If there’s something that I think they should apply for that maybe they hadn’t seen, I’m going to make sure I put it on the radar. I think that’s just incredibly helpful, having people that have your best interest in mind.
Every project we have is basically a big collaboration. We have a lot of papers from our postdocs where we are coauthors. Now, as principal investigators, we have a lot of papers together. And I think in the future you’ll be seeing a lot of coauthored publications from our group as well.
Lightning Round
Texting or talking?
KE: Talking
Favorite city in US besides the one you live in?
AE: Boston
Favorite breakfast?
ME: Biscuits and grits
Place you most want to travel?
KE: Antarctica
Favorite junk food?
AE: French fries
Favorite season?
ME: Fall
Favorite ice cream flavor?
KE: Black raspberry chip
Number of cups of coffee you drink per day?
AE: None, I like Diet Coke
Last movie you watched?
ME: Inside Out 2
If you weren’t a gastroenterologist, what would you be?
KE: National Park ranger
Best Halloween costume you ever wore?
AE: Princess Leia
Favorite type of music?
ME: ABBA
Favorite movie genre?
KE: Romantic comedies
Cat person or dog person?
AE: Neither, I like rabbits
Favorite sport?
ME: Surfing
What song do you have to sing along with when you hear it?
KE: Mama Mia
Introvert or extrovert?
AE: Introvert
Favorite holiday?
ME: Halloween
They all share the same genes—and job title.
Each has her own lab, working in different specialties. But if one sister needs the others, it’s reassuring to know they’re not far away.
“We have very different points of view. I’m interested in microbes. Amy’s really interested in myosin mediated trafficking and Kristen’s interested in viruses and purinergic signaling. It’s awesome that we can all work in the same field but have very different questions. And there’s so many questions that we can tackle,” said Mindy Engevik, the oldest of the trio.
If Mindy’s students need help with staining, she sends them to Amy’s lab. If they need help with calcium signaling and live cell imaging, she’ll send them to Kristen’s lab. “We interchange our expertise a lot,” said Mindy.
It’s nice to have a sister down the hall at work who can advise you on RNA sequencing analysis or immunofluorescence imaging, noted Amy Engevik. “You can ask them: ‘Can you just walk my student through this for a minute?’ Or, could they help with organoid cultures you don’t have time for right now?”
Kristen, who joined her older sisters at MUSC in 2024, observed that “having a little bit of the variety with our backgrounds and training really helps bring out the collaborative spirit of science.”
In an interview, the Engevik sisters spoke more about their familial network, their shared love of gastroenterology (GI) science, and how they’ve parlayed their expertise into other critical areas of research.
Growing up, did you ever think that you would choose similar career paths? How did you all become interested in GI research?
Mindy Engevik: As kids we were all interested in nature and the world around us. We all liked being outside. Amy and I were obsessed with rocks and classifying plants and rocks. We all had a general interest in science. But I personally didn’t think that all three of us would go into the same thing and that we’d be working together as adults.
Amy Engevik: Once we got into high school and college, we all became very close and we all majored in biology. That set the stage for our interest in science and our love of science. Then, we all kind of fell in love with the GI tract and chose postdocs that were GI focused. Since Mindy and I graduated a year apart, ultimately our goal was to form a lab and work together.
Kristen Engevik: I was interested in science when my sisters were both at college studying for biology and talking about the things they were learning in microbiology and physiology. But I don’t think until I joined the PhD program that I was ever like: ‘Oh yeah, we’re all going to be in science and it’s all going to be one big giant collaborative multi-lab collaboration.’
What do each of you love about the field of gastroenterology?
Mindy Engevik: At our heart, we’re all people that love problem solving. A fun fact about us is on Thursdays once a month, we do a puzzle competition here in Charleston. We’re really into it. But I think we genuinely like the problem-solving nature of the GI tract, and there’s so many diverse questions that you can answer.
Amy Engevik: I love that the scientific community in the GI community is so wonderful. They are very kind, helpful people. Some other fields are more competitive and more cutthroat. I feel like I have such a great network of people to reach out to if I have problems or questions. And I think other fields don’t have such a wonderful welcoming community that is very inclusive and dynamic.
Kristen Engevik: The nice thing with studying the GI tract is all things essentially lead to the gut. You can collaborate with other scientists and go into the gut-brain axis, or there’s the cardiovascular-gut axis and all these different places that you can also go, or different diseases that don’t necessarily seem to originate at the gut but have a lot of effects on the gut. There’s a lot of variation that we can do within GI.
Each of you has focused on a different area of digestive disease. Can each of you briefly discuss your areas of study and any findings or discoveries you’d like to highlight?
Mindy Engevik: My research focuses on microbial-host interactions. We’re really interested in how microbes colonize the gastrointestinal tract, how they interact with mucus – which I think is an important aspect of the gut that sometimes is overlooked – and how their metabolites really impact host health. One thing that I’m particularly proud of is we’ve really been starting to understand the neurotransmitters that bacteria generate and how they influence specific cells within the gut. It’s an exciting time to be doing both microbiology and gut physiology.
Amy Engevik: I study the host side of things; the gastric or the GI epithelium, and how a specific molecular motor contributes to trafficking in the GI tract. Recently, I’ve been going back to some of my PhD work in the stomach. In a high fat diet model, we’re finding that there are early metaplastic changes in the stomach. I think the stomach is very often overlooked within the GI tract. And I think it really sets the stage for the lower GI tract for the microbiome that colonizes the colon and the small intestine. I think that changes in the stomach really should come to the forefront of GI. Those changes have profound impacts on things like colorectal cancer and inflammatory bowel disease.
Kristen Engevik: I’m also more on the epithelial side with Amy. My new lab’s work is going to be focusing on understanding cell communications, specifically through extracellular purines, which is known as purinergic signaling, and understanding what the effects are during both homeostasis and disease, since it hasn’t been studied within the gut itself. From my work in postdoctoral training, we found that this communication is important for a lot of aspects, specifically during viral infection. But I have some preliminary data that shows it may also have an important role during disease, like colitis. My lab is interested in understanding what this epithelial communication is and are there ways to increase or decrease the signaling depending on the disease.
You’re all skilled in analyzing bioinformatics data. How do you apply this skill in your GI research?
Mindy Engevik: We all got our PhDs in systems biology and physiology, so we were forced to take computational analysis classes. I remember at the time thinking, ‘Oh, I’m probably not going to use a bunch of this.’ And then it really captured our attention. We realized how valuable it was and how much information you could glean.
We do a lot of work using publicly available data sets. I think there’s a wealth of information out there now with single cell sequencing data and bulk RNA sequencing data of different sites in the GI tract. It’s been a very valuable time to data mine and look especially at inflammatory bowel disease and colorectal cancer. We’ve been really focused on all our favorite genes of interest. I’ve been looking at a lot of the mucins and IBD (inflammatory bowel disease) and cancer. Amy’s been looking at Myosin-Vb and other myosin and binding partners like Rabs, and Kristen has been looking at purinergic signaling receptors.
All three of you recently worked together to identify a possible genetic driver of uterine corpus endometrial cancer, the fourth deadliest cancer in women. Where are you in the research process right now?
Mindy Engevik: Our mom was diagnosed with cancer, so we took quite a bit of time off to go to California to help her with her chemotherapy, surgery, and radiation. While we were there, we decided to do some computational analyses of cancers that affect women as our way to deal with this devastating disease. We were really fascinated to find that Myosin-Vb, which is Amy’s favorite gene of interest, was highly up-regulated in tumors from uterine and corpus endometrial cancer.
This was independent of the age of the patient, the stage of the cancer, the grade of the tumors. We figured out that the promoter region of the gene was hypomethylated, so it was having a higher expression. And that led to changes in metabolism and it linked very closely with what we were seeing in the gut, what Myosin-Vb was doing. We have some uterine cancer tumor cells in the lab that we’ve been growing and we’re going to really prove that it’s Myosin-Vb that’s driving some of these metabolism phenotypes. And the nice thing is at least there is a Myosin-Vb inhibitor available.
We also have a paper under review, identifying what Myosin-Vb is doing in cancer in the colon. So we’re excited to continue both the uterine cancer part but then also the colorectal cancer part using our same processes.
Amy Engevik: We’re going to be generating a mouse model that I think will be helpful since it’s in vivo. Sometimes things in vivo behave very differently than they do in vitro, so I think it’ll be a nice coupling of in vitro data with in vivo, taking that computational base and expanding it into more mechanistic studies and more experimental approaches where we can actually develop uterine cancer in the mice and then see if we can knock out Myosin-Vb specifically in that tissue and prevent it from either happening in the first place or decrease its pathogenesis.
What challenges have you faced in your career? How do you offer each other support?
Mindy Engevik: I think for any female scientists trying to have an independent career, there are some hurdles. An article in Nature recently stated that women receive less credit than their male counterparts and another article in Science demonstrated that women who are last authors on publications are cited less. That’s something that all women must deal with everywhere. I think it’s been incredibly helpful for us since there’s three of us. I think it gives us extra visibility in the field.
Amy Engevik: There’s a lot of microaggressions and things that can hinder your career success. I think that we’ve definitely had that. And I think the academic landscape is changing a little bit now that more women are becoming principal investigators and then rising through the ranks of academia. So I think there’s a lot of hope for the future women, but I think it’s still quite challenging.
Kristen Engevik: Things do seem to be getting better as there are more women as faculty members in certain departments. Science is getting better as things progress. However, there are still a lot of difficulties in trying to get credit for what you do, and getting the promotions.
Mindy Engevik: We have a built-in sisterhood, if you will. So I’m always going to champion Amy or Kristen. If there’s an award that I can nominate them for, I’m always going to do it. If there’s something that I think they should apply for that maybe they hadn’t seen, I’m going to make sure I put it on the radar. I think that’s just incredibly helpful, having people that have your best interest in mind.
Every project we have is basically a big collaboration. We have a lot of papers from our postdocs where we are coauthors. Now, as principal investigators, we have a lot of papers together. And I think in the future you’ll be seeing a lot of coauthored publications from our group as well.
Lightning Round
Texting or talking?
KE: Talking
Favorite city in US besides the one you live in?
AE: Boston
Favorite breakfast?
ME: Biscuits and grits
Place you most want to travel?
KE: Antarctica
Favorite junk food?
AE: French fries
Favorite season?
ME: Fall
Favorite ice cream flavor?
KE: Black raspberry chip
Number of cups of coffee you drink per day?
AE: None, I like Diet Coke
Last movie you watched?
ME: Inside Out 2
If you weren’t a gastroenterologist, what would you be?
KE: National Park ranger
Best Halloween costume you ever wore?
AE: Princess Leia
Favorite type of music?
ME: ABBA
Favorite movie genre?
KE: Romantic comedies
Cat person or dog person?
AE: Neither, I like rabbits
Favorite sport?
ME: Surfing
What song do you have to sing along with when you hear it?
KE: Mama Mia
Introvert or extrovert?
AE: Introvert
Favorite holiday?
ME: Halloween
They all share the same genes—and job title.
Each has her own lab, working in different specialties. But if one sister needs the others, it’s reassuring to know they’re not far away.
“We have very different points of view. I’m interested in microbes. Amy’s really interested in myosin mediated trafficking and Kristen’s interested in viruses and purinergic signaling. It’s awesome that we can all work in the same field but have very different questions. And there’s so many questions that we can tackle,” said Mindy Engevik, the oldest of the trio.
If Mindy’s students need help with staining, she sends them to Amy’s lab. If they need help with calcium signaling and live cell imaging, she’ll send them to Kristen’s lab. “We interchange our expertise a lot,” said Mindy.
It’s nice to have a sister down the hall at work who can advise you on RNA sequencing analysis or immunofluorescence imaging, noted Amy Engevik. “You can ask them: ‘Can you just walk my student through this for a minute?’ Or, could they help with organoid cultures you don’t have time for right now?”
Kristen, who joined her older sisters at MUSC in 2024, observed that “having a little bit of the variety with our backgrounds and training really helps bring out the collaborative spirit of science.”
In an interview, the Engevik sisters spoke more about their familial network, their shared love of gastroenterology (GI) science, and how they’ve parlayed their expertise into other critical areas of research.
Growing up, did you ever think that you would choose similar career paths? How did you all become interested in GI research?
Mindy Engevik: As kids we were all interested in nature and the world around us. We all liked being outside. Amy and I were obsessed with rocks and classifying plants and rocks. We all had a general interest in science. But I personally didn’t think that all three of us would go into the same thing and that we’d be working together as adults.
Amy Engevik: Once we got into high school and college, we all became very close and we all majored in biology. That set the stage for our interest in science and our love of science. Then, we all kind of fell in love with the GI tract and chose postdocs that were GI focused. Since Mindy and I graduated a year apart, ultimately our goal was to form a lab and work together.
Kristen Engevik: I was interested in science when my sisters were both at college studying for biology and talking about the things they were learning in microbiology and physiology. But I don’t think until I joined the PhD program that I was ever like: ‘Oh yeah, we’re all going to be in science and it’s all going to be one big giant collaborative multi-lab collaboration.’
What do each of you love about the field of gastroenterology?
Mindy Engevik: At our heart, we’re all people that love problem solving. A fun fact about us is on Thursdays once a month, we do a puzzle competition here in Charleston. We’re really into it. But I think we genuinely like the problem-solving nature of the GI tract, and there’s so many diverse questions that you can answer.
Amy Engevik: I love that the scientific community in the GI community is so wonderful. They are very kind, helpful people. Some other fields are more competitive and more cutthroat. I feel like I have such a great network of people to reach out to if I have problems or questions. And I think other fields don’t have such a wonderful welcoming community that is very inclusive and dynamic.
Kristen Engevik: The nice thing with studying the GI tract is all things essentially lead to the gut. You can collaborate with other scientists and go into the gut-brain axis, or there’s the cardiovascular-gut axis and all these different places that you can also go, or different diseases that don’t necessarily seem to originate at the gut but have a lot of effects on the gut. There’s a lot of variation that we can do within GI.
Each of you has focused on a different area of digestive disease. Can each of you briefly discuss your areas of study and any findings or discoveries you’d like to highlight?
Mindy Engevik: My research focuses on microbial-host interactions. We’re really interested in how microbes colonize the gastrointestinal tract, how they interact with mucus – which I think is an important aspect of the gut that sometimes is overlooked – and how their metabolites really impact host health. One thing that I’m particularly proud of is we’ve really been starting to understand the neurotransmitters that bacteria generate and how they influence specific cells within the gut. It’s an exciting time to be doing both microbiology and gut physiology.
Amy Engevik: I study the host side of things; the gastric or the GI epithelium, and how a specific molecular motor contributes to trafficking in the GI tract. Recently, I’ve been going back to some of my PhD work in the stomach. In a high fat diet model, we’re finding that there are early metaplastic changes in the stomach. I think the stomach is very often overlooked within the GI tract. And I think it really sets the stage for the lower GI tract for the microbiome that colonizes the colon and the small intestine. I think that changes in the stomach really should come to the forefront of GI. Those changes have profound impacts on things like colorectal cancer and inflammatory bowel disease.
Kristen Engevik: I’m also more on the epithelial side with Amy. My new lab’s work is going to be focusing on understanding cell communications, specifically through extracellular purines, which is known as purinergic signaling, and understanding what the effects are during both homeostasis and disease, since it hasn’t been studied within the gut itself. From my work in postdoctoral training, we found that this communication is important for a lot of aspects, specifically during viral infection. But I have some preliminary data that shows it may also have an important role during disease, like colitis. My lab is interested in understanding what this epithelial communication is and are there ways to increase or decrease the signaling depending on the disease.
You’re all skilled in analyzing bioinformatics data. How do you apply this skill in your GI research?
Mindy Engevik: We all got our PhDs in systems biology and physiology, so we were forced to take computational analysis classes. I remember at the time thinking, ‘Oh, I’m probably not going to use a bunch of this.’ And then it really captured our attention. We realized how valuable it was and how much information you could glean.
We do a lot of work using publicly available data sets. I think there’s a wealth of information out there now with single cell sequencing data and bulk RNA sequencing data of different sites in the GI tract. It’s been a very valuable time to data mine and look especially at inflammatory bowel disease and colorectal cancer. We’ve been really focused on all our favorite genes of interest. I’ve been looking at a lot of the mucins and IBD (inflammatory bowel disease) and cancer. Amy’s been looking at Myosin-Vb and other myosin and binding partners like Rabs, and Kristen has been looking at purinergic signaling receptors.
All three of you recently worked together to identify a possible genetic driver of uterine corpus endometrial cancer, the fourth deadliest cancer in women. Where are you in the research process right now?
Mindy Engevik: Our mom was diagnosed with cancer, so we took quite a bit of time off to go to California to help her with her chemotherapy, surgery, and radiation. While we were there, we decided to do some computational analyses of cancers that affect women as our way to deal with this devastating disease. We were really fascinated to find that Myosin-Vb, which is Amy’s favorite gene of interest, was highly up-regulated in tumors from uterine and corpus endometrial cancer.
This was independent of the age of the patient, the stage of the cancer, the grade of the tumors. We figured out that the promoter region of the gene was hypomethylated, so it was having a higher expression. And that led to changes in metabolism and it linked very closely with what we were seeing in the gut, what Myosin-Vb was doing. We have some uterine cancer tumor cells in the lab that we’ve been growing and we’re going to really prove that it’s Myosin-Vb that’s driving some of these metabolism phenotypes. And the nice thing is at least there is a Myosin-Vb inhibitor available.
We also have a paper under review, identifying what Myosin-Vb is doing in cancer in the colon. So we’re excited to continue both the uterine cancer part but then also the colorectal cancer part using our same processes.
Amy Engevik: We’re going to be generating a mouse model that I think will be helpful since it’s in vivo. Sometimes things in vivo behave very differently than they do in vitro, so I think it’ll be a nice coupling of in vitro data with in vivo, taking that computational base and expanding it into more mechanistic studies and more experimental approaches where we can actually develop uterine cancer in the mice and then see if we can knock out Myosin-Vb specifically in that tissue and prevent it from either happening in the first place or decrease its pathogenesis.
What challenges have you faced in your career? How do you offer each other support?
Mindy Engevik: I think for any female scientists trying to have an independent career, there are some hurdles. An article in Nature recently stated that women receive less credit than their male counterparts and another article in Science demonstrated that women who are last authors on publications are cited less. That’s something that all women must deal with everywhere. I think it’s been incredibly helpful for us since there’s three of us. I think it gives us extra visibility in the field.
Amy Engevik: There’s a lot of microaggressions and things that can hinder your career success. I think that we’ve definitely had that. And I think the academic landscape is changing a little bit now that more women are becoming principal investigators and then rising through the ranks of academia. So I think there’s a lot of hope for the future women, but I think it’s still quite challenging.
Kristen Engevik: Things do seem to be getting better as there are more women as faculty members in certain departments. Science is getting better as things progress. However, there are still a lot of difficulties in trying to get credit for what you do, and getting the promotions.
Mindy Engevik: We have a built-in sisterhood, if you will. So I’m always going to champion Amy or Kristen. If there’s an award that I can nominate them for, I’m always going to do it. If there’s something that I think they should apply for that maybe they hadn’t seen, I’m going to make sure I put it on the radar. I think that’s just incredibly helpful, having people that have your best interest in mind.
Every project we have is basically a big collaboration. We have a lot of papers from our postdocs where we are coauthors. Now, as principal investigators, we have a lot of papers together. And I think in the future you’ll be seeing a lot of coauthored publications from our group as well.
Lightning Round
Texting or talking?
KE: Talking
Favorite city in US besides the one you live in?
AE: Boston
Favorite breakfast?
ME: Biscuits and grits
Place you most want to travel?
KE: Antarctica
Favorite junk food?
AE: French fries
Favorite season?
ME: Fall
Favorite ice cream flavor?
KE: Black raspberry chip
Number of cups of coffee you drink per day?
AE: None, I like Diet Coke
Last movie you watched?
ME: Inside Out 2
If you weren’t a gastroenterologist, what would you be?
KE: National Park ranger
Best Halloween costume you ever wore?
AE: Princess Leia
Favorite type of music?
ME: ABBA
Favorite movie genre?
KE: Romantic comedies
Cat person or dog person?
AE: Neither, I like rabbits
Favorite sport?
ME: Surfing
What song do you have to sing along with when you hear it?
KE: Mama Mia
Introvert or extrovert?
AE: Introvert
Favorite holiday?
ME: Halloween
Searching for the Optimal CRC Surveillance Test
About a third of the US population are eligible for colorectal cancer screening but aren’t up to date on screening.
Many patients are reluctant to test for colon cancer for a variety of reasons, said Jeffrey K. Lee, MD, MPH, a research scientist at the Kaiser Permanente Northern California Division of Research and an attending gastroenterologist at Kaiser Permanente San Francisco Medical Center.
“As a gastroenterologist, I strongly believe we should emphasize the importance of colorectal cancer screening. And there’s many tests available, not just a colonoscopy, to help reduce your chances of developing colorectal cancer and even dying from colorectal cancer,” said Dr. Lee.
Many patients prefer a test that’s more convenient, that doesn’t require them to take time out of their busy schedules. “We must educate our patients that there are some noninvasive screening options that are helpful, and to be able to share with them some of the benefits, but also some of the drawbacks compared to colonoscopy and allow them to have a choice,” he advised.
He is a recipient of the AGA Research Scholar Award, and has in turn supported other researchers by contributing to the AGA Research Foundation. In 2012, Dr. Lee received a grant from the Sylvia Allison Kaplan Clinical Research Fund to fund a study on long-term colorectal cancer risk in patients with normal colonoscopy results.
The findings, published in JAMA Internal Medicine, determined that 10 years after a negative colonoscopy, Kaiser Permanente members had a 46% lower risk of being diagnosed with CRC and were 88% less likely to die from disease compared with patients who didn’t undergo screening.
“Furthermore, the reduced risk of developing colorectal cancer, even dying from it, persisted for more than 12 years after the examination compared with an unscreened population,” said Dr. Lee. “I firmly believe our study really supports the ten-year screening interval after a normal colonoscopy, as currently recommended by our guidelines.”
In an interview, he discussed his research efforts to find the best detection regimens for CRC, and the mentors who guided his career path as a GI scientist.
Q: Why did you choose GI?
During medical school I was fortunate to work in the lab of Dr. John M. Carethers at UC San Diego. He introduced me to GI and inspired me to choose GI as a career. His mentorship was invaluable because he not only solidified my interest in GI, but also inspired me to become a physician scientist, focusing on colorectal cancer prevention and control. His amazing mentorship drew me to this field.
Q: One of your clinical focus areas is hereditary gastrointestinal cancer syndromes. How did you become interested in this area of GI medicine?
My interest in hereditary GI cancer syndromes stemmed from my work as a medical student in Dr. Carethers’ lab. One of my research projects was looking at certain gene mutations among patients with hereditary GI cancer syndromes, specifically, familial hamartomatous polyposis syndrome. It was through these research projects and seeing how these genetic mutations impacted their risk of developing colorectal cancer, inspired me to care for patients with hereditary GI cancer syndromes.
Q: Have you been doing any research on the reasons why more young people are getting colon cancer?
We recently published work looking at the potential factors that may be driving the rising rates of early onset colorectal cancer. One hypothesis that’s been floating around is antibiotic exposure in early adulthood or childhood because of its effect on the microbiome. Using our large database at Kaiser Permanente Northern California, we did not find an association between oral antibiotic use during early adulthood and the risk of early-onset colorectal cancer.
You have the usual suspects like obesity and diabetes, but it’s not explaining all that risk. While familial colorectal cancer syndromes contribute to a small proportion of early-onset colorectal, these syndromes are not increasing across generations. I really do feel it’s something in the diet or how foods are processed and environmental factors that’s driving some of the risk of early onset colorectal cancer and this should be explored further.
Q: In 2018, you issued a landmark study which found an association between a 10-year follow-up after negative colonoscopy and reduced risk of disease and mortality. Has there been any updates to these findings over the last 6 years?
We recently saw a study in JAMA Oncology of a Swedish cohort that showed a negative colonoscopy result was associated with a reduced risk of developing and even dying from colorectal cancer 15 years from that examination, compared to the general population of Sweden. I think there’s some things that we need to be cautious about regarding that study. We have to think about the comparison group that they used and the lack of information regarding the indication of the colonoscopy and the quality of the examination. So, it remains uncertain whether future guidelines are going to stretch out that 10-year interval to 15 years.
Q: What other CRC studies are you working on now?
We have several studies that we are working on right now. One is called the PREVENT CRC study, which is looking at whether a polygenic risk score can improve risk stratification following adenoma removal for colorectal cancer prevention and tailoring post-polypectomy surveillance. This is a large observational cohort study that we have teamed up with the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center, Erasmus University, and Kaiser Permanente Northwest to answer this important question that may have implications for personalized medicine.
Then there’s the COOP study, funded by the Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute. This is looking at the best surveillance test to use among older adults 65 years and older with a history of polyps. The trial is randomizing them to either getting a colonoscopy for surveillance or annual fecal immunochemical test (FIT) for surveillance. This is to see which test is best for detecting colorectal cancer among older adults with a history of polyps.
Q: Do you think FIT tests could eventually replace colonoscopy, given that it’s less invasive?
Although FIT and other stool-based tests are less invasive and have been shown to have high accuracy for detecting colorectal cancer, I personally do not think they are going to replace colonoscopy as the most popular screening modality in the United States. Colonoscopy remains the gold standard for detecting and removing precancerous polyps and has the highest accuracy for detecting colorectal cancer.
Q: Besides Dr. Carethers, what teacher or mentor had the greatest impact on you?
Clinically it’s been Dr. Jonathan Terdiman from UCSF, who taught me everything I know about clinical GI, and the art of colonoscopy. In addition, Douglas A. Corley, MD, PhD, the Permanente Medical Group’s chief research officer, has made the greatest impact on my research career. He’s really taught me how to rigorously design a research study to answer important clinically relevant questions, and has given me the skill set to write NIH grants. I would not be here without these mentors who are truly giants in the field of GI.
Q: When you’re not being a GI, how do you spend your free weekend afternoons? Are you still a “Cal Bears” fan at your alma mater, UC Berkeley?
I spend a lot of time taking my kids to their activities on the weekends. I just took my son to a Cal Bears Game Day, which was hosted by ESPN at Berkeley.
It was an incredible experience hearing sports analyst Pat McAfee lead all the Cal chants, seeing Nick Saban from the University of Alabama take off his red tie and replace it with a Cal Bears tie, and watching a Cal student win a hundred thousand dollars by kicking a football through the goal posts wearing checkered vans.
Lightning Round
Texting or talking?
Text
Favorite breakfast?
Taiwanese breakfast
Place you most want to travel to?
Japan
Favorite junk food?
Trader Joe’s chili lime chips
Favorite season?
Springtime, baseball season
Favorite ice cream flavor?
Mint chocolate chip
How many cups of coffee do you drink per day?
2-3
Last movie you watched?
Oppenheimer
Best place you ever went on vacation?
Hawaii
If you weren’t a gastroenterologist, what would you be?
Barber
Best Halloween costume you ever wore?
SpongeBob SquarePants
Favorite sport?
Tennis
What song do you have to sing along with when you hear it?
Any classic 80s song
Introvert or extrovert?
Introvert
About a third of the US population are eligible for colorectal cancer screening but aren’t up to date on screening.
Many patients are reluctant to test for colon cancer for a variety of reasons, said Jeffrey K. Lee, MD, MPH, a research scientist at the Kaiser Permanente Northern California Division of Research and an attending gastroenterologist at Kaiser Permanente San Francisco Medical Center.
“As a gastroenterologist, I strongly believe we should emphasize the importance of colorectal cancer screening. And there’s many tests available, not just a colonoscopy, to help reduce your chances of developing colorectal cancer and even dying from colorectal cancer,” said Dr. Lee.
Many patients prefer a test that’s more convenient, that doesn’t require them to take time out of their busy schedules. “We must educate our patients that there are some noninvasive screening options that are helpful, and to be able to share with them some of the benefits, but also some of the drawbacks compared to colonoscopy and allow them to have a choice,” he advised.
He is a recipient of the AGA Research Scholar Award, and has in turn supported other researchers by contributing to the AGA Research Foundation. In 2012, Dr. Lee received a grant from the Sylvia Allison Kaplan Clinical Research Fund to fund a study on long-term colorectal cancer risk in patients with normal colonoscopy results.
The findings, published in JAMA Internal Medicine, determined that 10 years after a negative colonoscopy, Kaiser Permanente members had a 46% lower risk of being diagnosed with CRC and were 88% less likely to die from disease compared with patients who didn’t undergo screening.
“Furthermore, the reduced risk of developing colorectal cancer, even dying from it, persisted for more than 12 years after the examination compared with an unscreened population,” said Dr. Lee. “I firmly believe our study really supports the ten-year screening interval after a normal colonoscopy, as currently recommended by our guidelines.”
In an interview, he discussed his research efforts to find the best detection regimens for CRC, and the mentors who guided his career path as a GI scientist.
Q: Why did you choose GI?
During medical school I was fortunate to work in the lab of Dr. John M. Carethers at UC San Diego. He introduced me to GI and inspired me to choose GI as a career. His mentorship was invaluable because he not only solidified my interest in GI, but also inspired me to become a physician scientist, focusing on colorectal cancer prevention and control. His amazing mentorship drew me to this field.
Q: One of your clinical focus areas is hereditary gastrointestinal cancer syndromes. How did you become interested in this area of GI medicine?
My interest in hereditary GI cancer syndromes stemmed from my work as a medical student in Dr. Carethers’ lab. One of my research projects was looking at certain gene mutations among patients with hereditary GI cancer syndromes, specifically, familial hamartomatous polyposis syndrome. It was through these research projects and seeing how these genetic mutations impacted their risk of developing colorectal cancer, inspired me to care for patients with hereditary GI cancer syndromes.
Q: Have you been doing any research on the reasons why more young people are getting colon cancer?
We recently published work looking at the potential factors that may be driving the rising rates of early onset colorectal cancer. One hypothesis that’s been floating around is antibiotic exposure in early adulthood or childhood because of its effect on the microbiome. Using our large database at Kaiser Permanente Northern California, we did not find an association between oral antibiotic use during early adulthood and the risk of early-onset colorectal cancer.
You have the usual suspects like obesity and diabetes, but it’s not explaining all that risk. While familial colorectal cancer syndromes contribute to a small proportion of early-onset colorectal, these syndromes are not increasing across generations. I really do feel it’s something in the diet or how foods are processed and environmental factors that’s driving some of the risk of early onset colorectal cancer and this should be explored further.
Q: In 2018, you issued a landmark study which found an association between a 10-year follow-up after negative colonoscopy and reduced risk of disease and mortality. Has there been any updates to these findings over the last 6 years?
We recently saw a study in JAMA Oncology of a Swedish cohort that showed a negative colonoscopy result was associated with a reduced risk of developing and even dying from colorectal cancer 15 years from that examination, compared to the general population of Sweden. I think there’s some things that we need to be cautious about regarding that study. We have to think about the comparison group that they used and the lack of information regarding the indication of the colonoscopy and the quality of the examination. So, it remains uncertain whether future guidelines are going to stretch out that 10-year interval to 15 years.
Q: What other CRC studies are you working on now?
We have several studies that we are working on right now. One is called the PREVENT CRC study, which is looking at whether a polygenic risk score can improve risk stratification following adenoma removal for colorectal cancer prevention and tailoring post-polypectomy surveillance. This is a large observational cohort study that we have teamed up with the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center, Erasmus University, and Kaiser Permanente Northwest to answer this important question that may have implications for personalized medicine.
Then there’s the COOP study, funded by the Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute. This is looking at the best surveillance test to use among older adults 65 years and older with a history of polyps. The trial is randomizing them to either getting a colonoscopy for surveillance or annual fecal immunochemical test (FIT) for surveillance. This is to see which test is best for detecting colorectal cancer among older adults with a history of polyps.
Q: Do you think FIT tests could eventually replace colonoscopy, given that it’s less invasive?
Although FIT and other stool-based tests are less invasive and have been shown to have high accuracy for detecting colorectal cancer, I personally do not think they are going to replace colonoscopy as the most popular screening modality in the United States. Colonoscopy remains the gold standard for detecting and removing precancerous polyps and has the highest accuracy for detecting colorectal cancer.
Q: Besides Dr. Carethers, what teacher or mentor had the greatest impact on you?
Clinically it’s been Dr. Jonathan Terdiman from UCSF, who taught me everything I know about clinical GI, and the art of colonoscopy. In addition, Douglas A. Corley, MD, PhD, the Permanente Medical Group’s chief research officer, has made the greatest impact on my research career. He’s really taught me how to rigorously design a research study to answer important clinically relevant questions, and has given me the skill set to write NIH grants. I would not be here without these mentors who are truly giants in the field of GI.
Q: When you’re not being a GI, how do you spend your free weekend afternoons? Are you still a “Cal Bears” fan at your alma mater, UC Berkeley?
I spend a lot of time taking my kids to their activities on the weekends. I just took my son to a Cal Bears Game Day, which was hosted by ESPN at Berkeley.
It was an incredible experience hearing sports analyst Pat McAfee lead all the Cal chants, seeing Nick Saban from the University of Alabama take off his red tie and replace it with a Cal Bears tie, and watching a Cal student win a hundred thousand dollars by kicking a football through the goal posts wearing checkered vans.
Lightning Round
Texting or talking?
Text
Favorite breakfast?
Taiwanese breakfast
Place you most want to travel to?
Japan
Favorite junk food?
Trader Joe’s chili lime chips
Favorite season?
Springtime, baseball season
Favorite ice cream flavor?
Mint chocolate chip
How many cups of coffee do you drink per day?
2-3
Last movie you watched?
Oppenheimer
Best place you ever went on vacation?
Hawaii
If you weren’t a gastroenterologist, what would you be?
Barber
Best Halloween costume you ever wore?
SpongeBob SquarePants
Favorite sport?
Tennis
What song do you have to sing along with when you hear it?
Any classic 80s song
Introvert or extrovert?
Introvert
About a third of the US population are eligible for colorectal cancer screening but aren’t up to date on screening.
Many patients are reluctant to test for colon cancer for a variety of reasons, said Jeffrey K. Lee, MD, MPH, a research scientist at the Kaiser Permanente Northern California Division of Research and an attending gastroenterologist at Kaiser Permanente San Francisco Medical Center.
“As a gastroenterologist, I strongly believe we should emphasize the importance of colorectal cancer screening. And there’s many tests available, not just a colonoscopy, to help reduce your chances of developing colorectal cancer and even dying from colorectal cancer,” said Dr. Lee.
Many patients prefer a test that’s more convenient, that doesn’t require them to take time out of their busy schedules. “We must educate our patients that there are some noninvasive screening options that are helpful, and to be able to share with them some of the benefits, but also some of the drawbacks compared to colonoscopy and allow them to have a choice,” he advised.
He is a recipient of the AGA Research Scholar Award, and has in turn supported other researchers by contributing to the AGA Research Foundation. In 2012, Dr. Lee received a grant from the Sylvia Allison Kaplan Clinical Research Fund to fund a study on long-term colorectal cancer risk in patients with normal colonoscopy results.
The findings, published in JAMA Internal Medicine, determined that 10 years after a negative colonoscopy, Kaiser Permanente members had a 46% lower risk of being diagnosed with CRC and were 88% less likely to die from disease compared with patients who didn’t undergo screening.
“Furthermore, the reduced risk of developing colorectal cancer, even dying from it, persisted for more than 12 years after the examination compared with an unscreened population,” said Dr. Lee. “I firmly believe our study really supports the ten-year screening interval after a normal colonoscopy, as currently recommended by our guidelines.”
In an interview, he discussed his research efforts to find the best detection regimens for CRC, and the mentors who guided his career path as a GI scientist.
Q: Why did you choose GI?
During medical school I was fortunate to work in the lab of Dr. John M. Carethers at UC San Diego. He introduced me to GI and inspired me to choose GI as a career. His mentorship was invaluable because he not only solidified my interest in GI, but also inspired me to become a physician scientist, focusing on colorectal cancer prevention and control. His amazing mentorship drew me to this field.
Q: One of your clinical focus areas is hereditary gastrointestinal cancer syndromes. How did you become interested in this area of GI medicine?
My interest in hereditary GI cancer syndromes stemmed from my work as a medical student in Dr. Carethers’ lab. One of my research projects was looking at certain gene mutations among patients with hereditary GI cancer syndromes, specifically, familial hamartomatous polyposis syndrome. It was through these research projects and seeing how these genetic mutations impacted their risk of developing colorectal cancer, inspired me to care for patients with hereditary GI cancer syndromes.
Q: Have you been doing any research on the reasons why more young people are getting colon cancer?
We recently published work looking at the potential factors that may be driving the rising rates of early onset colorectal cancer. One hypothesis that’s been floating around is antibiotic exposure in early adulthood or childhood because of its effect on the microbiome. Using our large database at Kaiser Permanente Northern California, we did not find an association between oral antibiotic use during early adulthood and the risk of early-onset colorectal cancer.
You have the usual suspects like obesity and diabetes, but it’s not explaining all that risk. While familial colorectal cancer syndromes contribute to a small proportion of early-onset colorectal, these syndromes are not increasing across generations. I really do feel it’s something in the diet or how foods are processed and environmental factors that’s driving some of the risk of early onset colorectal cancer and this should be explored further.
Q: In 2018, you issued a landmark study which found an association between a 10-year follow-up after negative colonoscopy and reduced risk of disease and mortality. Has there been any updates to these findings over the last 6 years?
We recently saw a study in JAMA Oncology of a Swedish cohort that showed a negative colonoscopy result was associated with a reduced risk of developing and even dying from colorectal cancer 15 years from that examination, compared to the general population of Sweden. I think there’s some things that we need to be cautious about regarding that study. We have to think about the comparison group that they used and the lack of information regarding the indication of the colonoscopy and the quality of the examination. So, it remains uncertain whether future guidelines are going to stretch out that 10-year interval to 15 years.
Q: What other CRC studies are you working on now?
We have several studies that we are working on right now. One is called the PREVENT CRC study, which is looking at whether a polygenic risk score can improve risk stratification following adenoma removal for colorectal cancer prevention and tailoring post-polypectomy surveillance. This is a large observational cohort study that we have teamed up with the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center, Erasmus University, and Kaiser Permanente Northwest to answer this important question that may have implications for personalized medicine.
Then there’s the COOP study, funded by the Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute. This is looking at the best surveillance test to use among older adults 65 years and older with a history of polyps. The trial is randomizing them to either getting a colonoscopy for surveillance or annual fecal immunochemical test (FIT) for surveillance. This is to see which test is best for detecting colorectal cancer among older adults with a history of polyps.
Q: Do you think FIT tests could eventually replace colonoscopy, given that it’s less invasive?
Although FIT and other stool-based tests are less invasive and have been shown to have high accuracy for detecting colorectal cancer, I personally do not think they are going to replace colonoscopy as the most popular screening modality in the United States. Colonoscopy remains the gold standard for detecting and removing precancerous polyps and has the highest accuracy for detecting colorectal cancer.
Q: Besides Dr. Carethers, what teacher or mentor had the greatest impact on you?
Clinically it’s been Dr. Jonathan Terdiman from UCSF, who taught me everything I know about clinical GI, and the art of colonoscopy. In addition, Douglas A. Corley, MD, PhD, the Permanente Medical Group’s chief research officer, has made the greatest impact on my research career. He’s really taught me how to rigorously design a research study to answer important clinically relevant questions, and has given me the skill set to write NIH grants. I would not be here without these mentors who are truly giants in the field of GI.
Q: When you’re not being a GI, how do you spend your free weekend afternoons? Are you still a “Cal Bears” fan at your alma mater, UC Berkeley?
I spend a lot of time taking my kids to their activities on the weekends. I just took my son to a Cal Bears Game Day, which was hosted by ESPN at Berkeley.
It was an incredible experience hearing sports analyst Pat McAfee lead all the Cal chants, seeing Nick Saban from the University of Alabama take off his red tie and replace it with a Cal Bears tie, and watching a Cal student win a hundred thousand dollars by kicking a football through the goal posts wearing checkered vans.
Lightning Round
Texting or talking?
Text
Favorite breakfast?
Taiwanese breakfast
Place you most want to travel to?
Japan
Favorite junk food?
Trader Joe’s chili lime chips
Favorite season?
Springtime, baseball season
Favorite ice cream flavor?
Mint chocolate chip
How many cups of coffee do you drink per day?
2-3
Last movie you watched?
Oppenheimer
Best place you ever went on vacation?
Hawaii
If you weren’t a gastroenterologist, what would you be?
Barber
Best Halloween costume you ever wore?
SpongeBob SquarePants
Favorite sport?
Tennis
What song do you have to sing along with when you hear it?
Any classic 80s song
Introvert or extrovert?
Introvert
Giving the Smallest GI Transplant Patients a New Lease On Life
The best part about working with kids is that “I get to laugh every day,” said Ke-You (Yoyo) Zhang, MD, clinical assistant professor for pediatrics–gastroenterology and hepatology at Stanford Medicine in California.
Everyday life for them is a challenge.
Dealing with sick children is difficult. “But I think the difference between pediatrics and adults is despite how hard things get, children are the single most resilient people you’re ever going to meet,” she said.
Kids don’t always know they’re sick and they don’t act sick, even when they are. “Every day, I literally get on the floor, I get to play, I get to run around. And truly, I have fun every single day. I get excited to go to work. And I think that’s what makes work not feel like work,” said Dr. Zhang.
In an interview, she discussed the satisfaction of following patients throughout their care continuum and her research to reduce the likelihood of transplant rejection.
She also shared an inspirational story of one young patient who spent his life tied to an IV, and how a transplant exposed him to the normal joys of life, like swimming, going to camp and getting on a plane for the first time.
Q: Why did you choose this subspecialty of pediatric GI?
I think it’s the best subspecialty because I think it combines a lot of the things that I enjoy, which is long-term continuity of care. It’s about growing up with your patients and seeing them through all the various stages of their life, often meeting patients when they’re babies. I get pictures of high school graduations and life milestones and even see some of my patients have families of their own. Becoming a part of their family is very meaningful to me. I also like complexity and acuity, and gastroenterology and hepatology provide those things.
And then lastly, it’s great to be able to exercise procedural skills and constantly learn new procedural skills.
Q: How did you become interested in the field of pediatric intestinal and liver transplantation?
I did all my training here at Stanford. We have one of the largest pediatric transplant centers and we also have a very large intestinal rehabilitation population.
Coming through residency and fellowship, I had a lot of exposure to transplant and intestinal failure, intestinal rehabilitation. I really liked the longitudinal relationship I got to form with my patients. Sometimes they’re in the neonatal ICU, where you’re meeting them in their very first days of life. You follow them through their chronic illness, through transplant and after transplant for many years. You become not just their GI, but the center of their care.
Q: What challenges are unique to this type of transplant work?
Pediatric intestinal failure and intestinal transplant represents an incredibly small subset of children. Oftentimes, they do not get the resources and recognition on a national policy level or even at the hospital level that other gastrointestinal diseases receive. What’s difficult is they are such a small subset but their complexity and their needs are probably in the highest percentile. So that’s a really challenging combination to start with. And there’s only a few centers that specialize in doing intestinal rehabilitation and intestinal transplantation for children in the country.
Developing expertise has been slow. But I think in the last decade or so, our understanding and success with intestinal rehabilitation and intestinal transplantation has really improved, especially at large centers like Stanford. We’ve had a lot of success stories and have not had any graft loss since 2014.
Q: Are these transplants hard to acquire?
Yes, especially when you’re transplanting not just the intestines but the liver as well. You’re waiting for two organs, not just one organ. And on top of that, you’re waiting for an appropriately sized donor; usually a child who’s around the same size or same age who’s passed away. Those organs would have to be a good match. Children can wait multiple years for a transplant.
Q: Is there a success story you’d like to share?
One patient I met in the neonatal ICU had congenital short bowel syndrome. He was born with hardly any intestines. He developed complications of being on long-term intravenous nutrition, which included recurrent central line infections and liver disease. He was never able to eat because he really didn’t have a digestive system that could adequately absorb anything. He had a central line in one of his large veins, so he couldn’t go swimming.
He had to have special adaptive wear to even shower or bathe and couldn’t travel. It’s these types of patients that benefit so much from transplant. Putting any kid through transplant is a massive undertaking and it certainly has risks. But he underwent a successful transplant at the age of 8—not just an intestinal transplant, but a multi-visceral transplant of the liver, intestine, and pancreas. He’s 9 years old now, and no longer needs intravenous nutrition. He ate by mouth for the very first time after transplant. He’s trying all sorts of new foods and he was able to go to a special transplant camp for children. Getting on a plane to Los Angeles, which is where our transplant camp is, was a huge deal.
He was able to swim in the lake. He’s never been able to do that. And he wants to start doing sports this fall. This was really a life-changing story for him.
Q: What advancements lie ahead for this field of work? Have you work on any notable research?
I think our understanding of transplant immunology has really progressed, especially recently. That’s what part of my research is about—using novel therapies to modulate the immune system of pediatric transplant recipients. The No. 1 complication that occurs after intestinal transplant is rejection because obviously you’re implanting somebody else’s organs into a patient.
I am involved in a clinical trial that’s looking at the use of extracellular vesicles that are isolated from hematopoietic stem cells. These vesicles contain various growth factors, anti-inflammatory proteins and tissue repair factors that we are infusing into intestinal transplant patients with the aim to repair the intestinal tissue patients are rejecting.
Q: When you’re not being a GI, how do you spend your free weekend afternoons?
My husband and I have an almost 2-year-old little girl. She keeps us busy and I spend my afternoons chasing after a crazy toddler.
Lightning Round
Texting or talking?
Huge texter
Favorite junk food?
French fries
Cat or dog person?
Dog
Favorite ice cream?
Strawberry
If you weren’t a gastroenterologist, what would you be?Florist
Best place you’ve traveled to?
Thailand
Number of cups of coffee you drink per day?
Too many
Favorite city in the US besides the one you live in?
New York City
Favorite sport?
Tennis
Optimist or pessimist?
Optimist
The best part about working with kids is that “I get to laugh every day,” said Ke-You (Yoyo) Zhang, MD, clinical assistant professor for pediatrics–gastroenterology and hepatology at Stanford Medicine in California.
Everyday life for them is a challenge.
Dealing with sick children is difficult. “But I think the difference between pediatrics and adults is despite how hard things get, children are the single most resilient people you’re ever going to meet,” she said.
Kids don’t always know they’re sick and they don’t act sick, even when they are. “Every day, I literally get on the floor, I get to play, I get to run around. And truly, I have fun every single day. I get excited to go to work. And I think that’s what makes work not feel like work,” said Dr. Zhang.
In an interview, she discussed the satisfaction of following patients throughout their care continuum and her research to reduce the likelihood of transplant rejection.
She also shared an inspirational story of one young patient who spent his life tied to an IV, and how a transplant exposed him to the normal joys of life, like swimming, going to camp and getting on a plane for the first time.
Q: Why did you choose this subspecialty of pediatric GI?
I think it’s the best subspecialty because I think it combines a lot of the things that I enjoy, which is long-term continuity of care. It’s about growing up with your patients and seeing them through all the various stages of their life, often meeting patients when they’re babies. I get pictures of high school graduations and life milestones and even see some of my patients have families of their own. Becoming a part of their family is very meaningful to me. I also like complexity and acuity, and gastroenterology and hepatology provide those things.
And then lastly, it’s great to be able to exercise procedural skills and constantly learn new procedural skills.
Q: How did you become interested in the field of pediatric intestinal and liver transplantation?
I did all my training here at Stanford. We have one of the largest pediatric transplant centers and we also have a very large intestinal rehabilitation population.
Coming through residency and fellowship, I had a lot of exposure to transplant and intestinal failure, intestinal rehabilitation. I really liked the longitudinal relationship I got to form with my patients. Sometimes they’re in the neonatal ICU, where you’re meeting them in their very first days of life. You follow them through their chronic illness, through transplant and after transplant for many years. You become not just their GI, but the center of their care.
Q: What challenges are unique to this type of transplant work?
Pediatric intestinal failure and intestinal transplant represents an incredibly small subset of children. Oftentimes, they do not get the resources and recognition on a national policy level or even at the hospital level that other gastrointestinal diseases receive. What’s difficult is they are such a small subset but their complexity and their needs are probably in the highest percentile. So that’s a really challenging combination to start with. And there’s only a few centers that specialize in doing intestinal rehabilitation and intestinal transplantation for children in the country.
Developing expertise has been slow. But I think in the last decade or so, our understanding and success with intestinal rehabilitation and intestinal transplantation has really improved, especially at large centers like Stanford. We’ve had a lot of success stories and have not had any graft loss since 2014.
Q: Are these transplants hard to acquire?
Yes, especially when you’re transplanting not just the intestines but the liver as well. You’re waiting for two organs, not just one organ. And on top of that, you’re waiting for an appropriately sized donor; usually a child who’s around the same size or same age who’s passed away. Those organs would have to be a good match. Children can wait multiple years for a transplant.
Q: Is there a success story you’d like to share?
One patient I met in the neonatal ICU had congenital short bowel syndrome. He was born with hardly any intestines. He developed complications of being on long-term intravenous nutrition, which included recurrent central line infections and liver disease. He was never able to eat because he really didn’t have a digestive system that could adequately absorb anything. He had a central line in one of his large veins, so he couldn’t go swimming.
He had to have special adaptive wear to even shower or bathe and couldn’t travel. It’s these types of patients that benefit so much from transplant. Putting any kid through transplant is a massive undertaking and it certainly has risks. But he underwent a successful transplant at the age of 8—not just an intestinal transplant, but a multi-visceral transplant of the liver, intestine, and pancreas. He’s 9 years old now, and no longer needs intravenous nutrition. He ate by mouth for the very first time after transplant. He’s trying all sorts of new foods and he was able to go to a special transplant camp for children. Getting on a plane to Los Angeles, which is where our transplant camp is, was a huge deal.
He was able to swim in the lake. He’s never been able to do that. And he wants to start doing sports this fall. This was really a life-changing story for him.
Q: What advancements lie ahead for this field of work? Have you work on any notable research?
I think our understanding of transplant immunology has really progressed, especially recently. That’s what part of my research is about—using novel therapies to modulate the immune system of pediatric transplant recipients. The No. 1 complication that occurs after intestinal transplant is rejection because obviously you’re implanting somebody else’s organs into a patient.
I am involved in a clinical trial that’s looking at the use of extracellular vesicles that are isolated from hematopoietic stem cells. These vesicles contain various growth factors, anti-inflammatory proteins and tissue repair factors that we are infusing into intestinal transplant patients with the aim to repair the intestinal tissue patients are rejecting.
Q: When you’re not being a GI, how do you spend your free weekend afternoons?
My husband and I have an almost 2-year-old little girl. She keeps us busy and I spend my afternoons chasing after a crazy toddler.
Lightning Round
Texting or talking?
Huge texter
Favorite junk food?
French fries
Cat or dog person?
Dog
Favorite ice cream?
Strawberry
If you weren’t a gastroenterologist, what would you be?Florist
Best place you’ve traveled to?
Thailand
Number of cups of coffee you drink per day?
Too many
Favorite city in the US besides the one you live in?
New York City
Favorite sport?
Tennis
Optimist or pessimist?
Optimist
The best part about working with kids is that “I get to laugh every day,” said Ke-You (Yoyo) Zhang, MD, clinical assistant professor for pediatrics–gastroenterology and hepatology at Stanford Medicine in California.
Everyday life for them is a challenge.
Dealing with sick children is difficult. “But I think the difference between pediatrics and adults is despite how hard things get, children are the single most resilient people you’re ever going to meet,” she said.
Kids don’t always know they’re sick and they don’t act sick, even when they are. “Every day, I literally get on the floor, I get to play, I get to run around. And truly, I have fun every single day. I get excited to go to work. And I think that’s what makes work not feel like work,” said Dr. Zhang.
In an interview, she discussed the satisfaction of following patients throughout their care continuum and her research to reduce the likelihood of transplant rejection.
She also shared an inspirational story of one young patient who spent his life tied to an IV, and how a transplant exposed him to the normal joys of life, like swimming, going to camp and getting on a plane for the first time.
Q: Why did you choose this subspecialty of pediatric GI?
I think it’s the best subspecialty because I think it combines a lot of the things that I enjoy, which is long-term continuity of care. It’s about growing up with your patients and seeing them through all the various stages of their life, often meeting patients when they’re babies. I get pictures of high school graduations and life milestones and even see some of my patients have families of their own. Becoming a part of their family is very meaningful to me. I also like complexity and acuity, and gastroenterology and hepatology provide those things.
And then lastly, it’s great to be able to exercise procedural skills and constantly learn new procedural skills.
Q: How did you become interested in the field of pediatric intestinal and liver transplantation?
I did all my training here at Stanford. We have one of the largest pediatric transplant centers and we also have a very large intestinal rehabilitation population.
Coming through residency and fellowship, I had a lot of exposure to transplant and intestinal failure, intestinal rehabilitation. I really liked the longitudinal relationship I got to form with my patients. Sometimes they’re in the neonatal ICU, where you’re meeting them in their very first days of life. You follow them through their chronic illness, through transplant and after transplant for many years. You become not just their GI, but the center of their care.
Q: What challenges are unique to this type of transplant work?
Pediatric intestinal failure and intestinal transplant represents an incredibly small subset of children. Oftentimes, they do not get the resources and recognition on a national policy level or even at the hospital level that other gastrointestinal diseases receive. What’s difficult is they are such a small subset but their complexity and their needs are probably in the highest percentile. So that’s a really challenging combination to start with. And there’s only a few centers that specialize in doing intestinal rehabilitation and intestinal transplantation for children in the country.
Developing expertise has been slow. But I think in the last decade or so, our understanding and success with intestinal rehabilitation and intestinal transplantation has really improved, especially at large centers like Stanford. We’ve had a lot of success stories and have not had any graft loss since 2014.
Q: Are these transplants hard to acquire?
Yes, especially when you’re transplanting not just the intestines but the liver as well. You’re waiting for two organs, not just one organ. And on top of that, you’re waiting for an appropriately sized donor; usually a child who’s around the same size or same age who’s passed away. Those organs would have to be a good match. Children can wait multiple years for a transplant.
Q: Is there a success story you’d like to share?
One patient I met in the neonatal ICU had congenital short bowel syndrome. He was born with hardly any intestines. He developed complications of being on long-term intravenous nutrition, which included recurrent central line infections and liver disease. He was never able to eat because he really didn’t have a digestive system that could adequately absorb anything. He had a central line in one of his large veins, so he couldn’t go swimming.
He had to have special adaptive wear to even shower or bathe and couldn’t travel. It’s these types of patients that benefit so much from transplant. Putting any kid through transplant is a massive undertaking and it certainly has risks. But he underwent a successful transplant at the age of 8—not just an intestinal transplant, but a multi-visceral transplant of the liver, intestine, and pancreas. He’s 9 years old now, and no longer needs intravenous nutrition. He ate by mouth for the very first time after transplant. He’s trying all sorts of new foods and he was able to go to a special transplant camp for children. Getting on a plane to Los Angeles, which is where our transplant camp is, was a huge deal.
He was able to swim in the lake. He’s never been able to do that. And he wants to start doing sports this fall. This was really a life-changing story for him.
Q: What advancements lie ahead for this field of work? Have you work on any notable research?
I think our understanding of transplant immunology has really progressed, especially recently. That’s what part of my research is about—using novel therapies to modulate the immune system of pediatric transplant recipients. The No. 1 complication that occurs after intestinal transplant is rejection because obviously you’re implanting somebody else’s organs into a patient.
I am involved in a clinical trial that’s looking at the use of extracellular vesicles that are isolated from hematopoietic stem cells. These vesicles contain various growth factors, anti-inflammatory proteins and tissue repair factors that we are infusing into intestinal transplant patients with the aim to repair the intestinal tissue patients are rejecting.
Q: When you’re not being a GI, how do you spend your free weekend afternoons?
My husband and I have an almost 2-year-old little girl. She keeps us busy and I spend my afternoons chasing after a crazy toddler.
Lightning Round
Texting or talking?
Huge texter
Favorite junk food?
French fries
Cat or dog person?
Dog
Favorite ice cream?
Strawberry
If you weren’t a gastroenterologist, what would you be?Florist
Best place you’ve traveled to?
Thailand
Number of cups of coffee you drink per day?
Too many
Favorite city in the US besides the one you live in?
New York City
Favorite sport?
Tennis
Optimist or pessimist?
Optimist
In a Parallel Universe, “I’d Be a Concert Pianist” Says Tennessee GI
She also relishes opportunities to think, to analyze, and solve problems for her patients.
One of her chief interests is inflammatory bowel disease (IBD). It’s reassuring to focus on a field of work “where I know exactly what’s causing the issue, and I can select a therapeutic approach (medication and lifestyle changes) that help a patient achieve remission,” said Dr. Pointer, co-owner and managing partner of Digestive and Liver Health Specialists in Hendersonville, Tenn. She’s also the medical director and a principal investigator of Quality Medical Research in Nashville, and currently serves as chair of the AGA Trainee and Early Career Committee.
Starting her own practice has been just as challenging and rewarding as going through medical school. Medical training does not prepare you for starting your own practice, Dr. Pointer said, so she and her business partner have had to learn as they go. “But I think we’ve done very well. We’ve taken the ups and downs in stride.”
In an interview, Dr. Pointer spoke more about her work in IBD and the ways in which she’s given back to the community through music and mentoring.
Q: Why did you choose GI?
I knew from a very young age that I was going to be a physician. I had always been interested in science. When I got into medical school and became exposed to the different areas, I really liked the cognitive skills where you had to think through a problem or an issue. But I also liked the procedural things as well.
During my internal medicine residency training, I felt that I had a knack for it. As I was looking at different options, I decided on gastroenterology because it combined both cognitive thinking through issues, but also taking it to the next step and intervening through procedures.
Q: During fellowship, your focus was inflammatory bowel disease. What drew your interest to this condition?
There are a lot of different areas within gastroenterology that one can subspecialize in, as we see the full gamut of gastrointestinal and hepatic disorders. But treating some conditions, like functional disorders, means taking more of a ‘trial and error’ approach, and you may not always get the patient a hundred percent better. That’s not to say that we can’t improve a patient’s quality of life, but it’s not always a guarantee.
But inflammatory bowel disease is a little bit different. Because I can point to an exact spot in the intestines that’s causing the problem, it’s very fulfilling for me as a physician to take a patient who is having 10-12 bloody bowel movements a day, to normal form stools and no abdominal pain. They’re able to gain weight and go on about their lives and about their day. So that was why I picked inflammatory bowel disease as my subspecialty.
Q: Tell me about the gastroenterology elective you developed for family medicine residents and undergraduate students. What’s the status of the program now?
I’ve always been interested in teaching and giving back to the next generations. I feel like I had great mentor opportunities and people who helped me along the way. In my previous hospital position, I was able to work with the family medicine department and create an elective through which residents and even undergraduate students could come and shadow and work with me in the clinic and see me performing procedures.
That elective ended once I left that position, at least as far as I’m aware. But in the private practice that I co-own now, we have numerous shadowing opportunities. I was able to give a lecture at Middle Tennessee State University for some students. And through that lecture, many students have reached out to me to shadow. I have allowed them to come shadow and do clinic work as a medical assistant and watch me perform procedures. I have multiple students working with me weekly.
Q: Years ago, you founded the non-profit Enchanted Fingers Piano Lessons, which gave free piano lessons to underserved youth. What was that experience like?
Piano was one of my first loves. In some parallel universe, there’s a Dr. Pointer who is a classical, concert pianist. I started taking piano lessons when I was in early middle school, and I took to it very quickly. I was able to excel. I just loved it. I enjoyed practicing and I still play.
The impetus for starting Enchanted Fingers Piano lessons was because I wanted to give back again to the community. I came from an underserved community. Oftentimes children and young adults in those communities don’t get exposed to extracurricular activities and they don’t even know what they could potentially have a passion for. And I definitely had a passion for piano. I partnered with a church organization and they allowed me to use their church to host these piano lessons, and it was a phenomenal and rewarding experience. I would definitely like to start it up again one day in the future. It was an amazing experience.
It’s actually how I met my husband. He was one of the young adult students who signed up to take lessons. We both still enjoy playing the piano together.
Q: When you’re not being a GI, how do you spend your free weekend afternoons?
I’m a creative at heart. I really enjoy sewing and I’m working on a few sewing projects. I just got a serger. It is a machine that helps you finish a seam. It can also be used to sew entire garments. That has been fun, learning how to thread that machine. When I’m not doing that or just relaxing with my family, I do enjoy curling up with a good book. Stephen King is one of my favorite authors.
Lightning Round
Texting or talking?
Talking
Favorite junk food?
Chocolate chip cookies
Cat or dog person?
Cat
Favorite vacation?
Hawaii
How many cups of coffee do you drink per day?
I don’t drink coffee
Favorite ice cream?
Butter pecan
Favorite sport?
I don’t watch sports
Optimist or pessimist?
Optimist
She also relishes opportunities to think, to analyze, and solve problems for her patients.
One of her chief interests is inflammatory bowel disease (IBD). It’s reassuring to focus on a field of work “where I know exactly what’s causing the issue, and I can select a therapeutic approach (medication and lifestyle changes) that help a patient achieve remission,” said Dr. Pointer, co-owner and managing partner of Digestive and Liver Health Specialists in Hendersonville, Tenn. She’s also the medical director and a principal investigator of Quality Medical Research in Nashville, and currently serves as chair of the AGA Trainee and Early Career Committee.
Starting her own practice has been just as challenging and rewarding as going through medical school. Medical training does not prepare you for starting your own practice, Dr. Pointer said, so she and her business partner have had to learn as they go. “But I think we’ve done very well. We’ve taken the ups and downs in stride.”
In an interview, Dr. Pointer spoke more about her work in IBD and the ways in which she’s given back to the community through music and mentoring.
Q: Why did you choose GI?
I knew from a very young age that I was going to be a physician. I had always been interested in science. When I got into medical school and became exposed to the different areas, I really liked the cognitive skills where you had to think through a problem or an issue. But I also liked the procedural things as well.
During my internal medicine residency training, I felt that I had a knack for it. As I was looking at different options, I decided on gastroenterology because it combined both cognitive thinking through issues, but also taking it to the next step and intervening through procedures.
Q: During fellowship, your focus was inflammatory bowel disease. What drew your interest to this condition?
There are a lot of different areas within gastroenterology that one can subspecialize in, as we see the full gamut of gastrointestinal and hepatic disorders. But treating some conditions, like functional disorders, means taking more of a ‘trial and error’ approach, and you may not always get the patient a hundred percent better. That’s not to say that we can’t improve a patient’s quality of life, but it’s not always a guarantee.
But inflammatory bowel disease is a little bit different. Because I can point to an exact spot in the intestines that’s causing the problem, it’s very fulfilling for me as a physician to take a patient who is having 10-12 bloody bowel movements a day, to normal form stools and no abdominal pain. They’re able to gain weight and go on about their lives and about their day. So that was why I picked inflammatory bowel disease as my subspecialty.
Q: Tell me about the gastroenterology elective you developed for family medicine residents and undergraduate students. What’s the status of the program now?
I’ve always been interested in teaching and giving back to the next generations. I feel like I had great mentor opportunities and people who helped me along the way. In my previous hospital position, I was able to work with the family medicine department and create an elective through which residents and even undergraduate students could come and shadow and work with me in the clinic and see me performing procedures.
That elective ended once I left that position, at least as far as I’m aware. But in the private practice that I co-own now, we have numerous shadowing opportunities. I was able to give a lecture at Middle Tennessee State University for some students. And through that lecture, many students have reached out to me to shadow. I have allowed them to come shadow and do clinic work as a medical assistant and watch me perform procedures. I have multiple students working with me weekly.
Q: Years ago, you founded the non-profit Enchanted Fingers Piano Lessons, which gave free piano lessons to underserved youth. What was that experience like?
Piano was one of my first loves. In some parallel universe, there’s a Dr. Pointer who is a classical, concert pianist. I started taking piano lessons when I was in early middle school, and I took to it very quickly. I was able to excel. I just loved it. I enjoyed practicing and I still play.
The impetus for starting Enchanted Fingers Piano lessons was because I wanted to give back again to the community. I came from an underserved community. Oftentimes children and young adults in those communities don’t get exposed to extracurricular activities and they don’t even know what they could potentially have a passion for. And I definitely had a passion for piano. I partnered with a church organization and they allowed me to use their church to host these piano lessons, and it was a phenomenal and rewarding experience. I would definitely like to start it up again one day in the future. It was an amazing experience.
It’s actually how I met my husband. He was one of the young adult students who signed up to take lessons. We both still enjoy playing the piano together.
Q: When you’re not being a GI, how do you spend your free weekend afternoons?
I’m a creative at heart. I really enjoy sewing and I’m working on a few sewing projects. I just got a serger. It is a machine that helps you finish a seam. It can also be used to sew entire garments. That has been fun, learning how to thread that machine. When I’m not doing that or just relaxing with my family, I do enjoy curling up with a good book. Stephen King is one of my favorite authors.
Lightning Round
Texting or talking?
Talking
Favorite junk food?
Chocolate chip cookies
Cat or dog person?
Cat
Favorite vacation?
Hawaii
How many cups of coffee do you drink per day?
I don’t drink coffee
Favorite ice cream?
Butter pecan
Favorite sport?
I don’t watch sports
Optimist or pessimist?
Optimist
She also relishes opportunities to think, to analyze, and solve problems for her patients.
One of her chief interests is inflammatory bowel disease (IBD). It’s reassuring to focus on a field of work “where I know exactly what’s causing the issue, and I can select a therapeutic approach (medication and lifestyle changes) that help a patient achieve remission,” said Dr. Pointer, co-owner and managing partner of Digestive and Liver Health Specialists in Hendersonville, Tenn. She’s also the medical director and a principal investigator of Quality Medical Research in Nashville, and currently serves as chair of the AGA Trainee and Early Career Committee.
Starting her own practice has been just as challenging and rewarding as going through medical school. Medical training does not prepare you for starting your own practice, Dr. Pointer said, so she and her business partner have had to learn as they go. “But I think we’ve done very well. We’ve taken the ups and downs in stride.”
In an interview, Dr. Pointer spoke more about her work in IBD and the ways in which she’s given back to the community through music and mentoring.
Q: Why did you choose GI?
I knew from a very young age that I was going to be a physician. I had always been interested in science. When I got into medical school and became exposed to the different areas, I really liked the cognitive skills where you had to think through a problem or an issue. But I also liked the procedural things as well.
During my internal medicine residency training, I felt that I had a knack for it. As I was looking at different options, I decided on gastroenterology because it combined both cognitive thinking through issues, but also taking it to the next step and intervening through procedures.
Q: During fellowship, your focus was inflammatory bowel disease. What drew your interest to this condition?
There are a lot of different areas within gastroenterology that one can subspecialize in, as we see the full gamut of gastrointestinal and hepatic disorders. But treating some conditions, like functional disorders, means taking more of a ‘trial and error’ approach, and you may not always get the patient a hundred percent better. That’s not to say that we can’t improve a patient’s quality of life, but it’s not always a guarantee.
But inflammatory bowel disease is a little bit different. Because I can point to an exact spot in the intestines that’s causing the problem, it’s very fulfilling for me as a physician to take a patient who is having 10-12 bloody bowel movements a day, to normal form stools and no abdominal pain. They’re able to gain weight and go on about their lives and about their day. So that was why I picked inflammatory bowel disease as my subspecialty.
Q: Tell me about the gastroenterology elective you developed for family medicine residents and undergraduate students. What’s the status of the program now?
I’ve always been interested in teaching and giving back to the next generations. I feel like I had great mentor opportunities and people who helped me along the way. In my previous hospital position, I was able to work with the family medicine department and create an elective through which residents and even undergraduate students could come and shadow and work with me in the clinic and see me performing procedures.
That elective ended once I left that position, at least as far as I’m aware. But in the private practice that I co-own now, we have numerous shadowing opportunities. I was able to give a lecture at Middle Tennessee State University for some students. And through that lecture, many students have reached out to me to shadow. I have allowed them to come shadow and do clinic work as a medical assistant and watch me perform procedures. I have multiple students working with me weekly.
Q: Years ago, you founded the non-profit Enchanted Fingers Piano Lessons, which gave free piano lessons to underserved youth. What was that experience like?
Piano was one of my first loves. In some parallel universe, there’s a Dr. Pointer who is a classical, concert pianist. I started taking piano lessons when I was in early middle school, and I took to it very quickly. I was able to excel. I just loved it. I enjoyed practicing and I still play.
The impetus for starting Enchanted Fingers Piano lessons was because I wanted to give back again to the community. I came from an underserved community. Oftentimes children and young adults in those communities don’t get exposed to extracurricular activities and they don’t even know what they could potentially have a passion for. And I definitely had a passion for piano. I partnered with a church organization and they allowed me to use their church to host these piano lessons, and it was a phenomenal and rewarding experience. I would definitely like to start it up again one day in the future. It was an amazing experience.
It’s actually how I met my husband. He was one of the young adult students who signed up to take lessons. We both still enjoy playing the piano together.
Q: When you’re not being a GI, how do you spend your free weekend afternoons?
I’m a creative at heart. I really enjoy sewing and I’m working on a few sewing projects. I just got a serger. It is a machine that helps you finish a seam. It can also be used to sew entire garments. That has been fun, learning how to thread that machine. When I’m not doing that or just relaxing with my family, I do enjoy curling up with a good book. Stephen King is one of my favorite authors.
Lightning Round
Texting or talking?
Talking
Favorite junk food?
Chocolate chip cookies
Cat or dog person?
Cat
Favorite vacation?
Hawaii
How many cups of coffee do you drink per day?
I don’t drink coffee
Favorite ice cream?
Butter pecan
Favorite sport?
I don’t watch sports
Optimist or pessimist?
Optimist
Patient Navigators in Rheumatology Set to Expand in Importance, Scope With New Medicare Codes
When a large rheumatology clinic in Richmond, Virginia, heard that Medicare would be reimbursing patient navigators, they decided to launch their own virtual navigator program.
“We read about it and felt like it was the perfect representation of what we were already trying to do,” said Blake Wehman, founder and CEO of Remission Medical, which offers virtual diagnosis and longitudinal care in rheumatology.
Mr. Wehman has plans to start submitting for these principal illness navigation (PIN) codes in 2025.
The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) in 2024 began paying navigators who assist Medicare patients with high-risk conditions, which could include rheumatologic diseases. “The codes are not limited to a specific set of diagnoses; rather, the definition of a serious, high-risk condition is dependent on clinical judgment,” the agency clarified.
CMS established this provision in the CY 2024 Physician Fee Schedule final rule.
Reimbursing patient navigators is long overdue, noted Edith Williams, PhD, MS, director of the Center for Community Health and Prevention and founding director of the Office of Health Equity Research at the University of Rochester in New York. “It’s something our patients need. It’s something that the science is telling us can impact outcomes as an adjunct to clinical care,” she said. 
Dr. Williams said the new CMS codes “got our departments talking about what this policy is and how it would translate into patient care.”
The codes apply when navigators are assigned to support patients with high-risk conditions who need assistance connecting with clinical and other resources, including any unmet social determinants of health needs, or in diagnosis or treatment of their medical problems.
“Having a navigator by their side to help get through all the clinical and administrative challenges gives people an advocate and a partner who is with them and their families every step of the way to help make the journey easier,” said a CMS spokesperson.
Not all navigator programs may qualify for the new codes. Some are supported by grants and don’t bill patient insurance. However, they all share a common goal: to guide patients through the healthcare continuum and assist with appointments and medication adherence.
Identifying ‘Root Causes’ of Barriers
Navigators represent a wide variety of backgrounds, ranging from healthcare professionals to students or even patients themselves. They generally don’t provide medical advice. “However, we are responsible for making sure our patients and their families are educated and aware, then assist with guidance on their path,” said Katie Costillo, BSW, CPPN, patient navigator and program manager with the Lupus Foundation of America, Heartland Region.
“Training and experience in engaging and building rapport is essential to assisting patients overcome obstacles that limit their access to healthcare,” she said. Narrowing down with patients the root causes of their barriers and then identifying appropriate and available community resources is key.
Studies have demonstrated the effectiveness of adding a navigator to a rheumatology patient’s care plan. In one study, a group of Boston researchers determined that navigators played a useful role in reducing adherence barriers to oral disease-modifying antirheumatic drugs. The navigators uncovered several concerns among 107 rheumatology patients, including fear of adverse events and medication effectiveness.
They also helped to facilitate patient-physician communication, developed strategies to improve medication adherence, and provided medication and diagnosis education. Patients reported satisfaction with the navigator experience.
A study Dr. Williams coauthored that examined behavioral interventions to support African American women with systemic lupus erythematosus found that patient navigator participants had superior coping scores, compared with those engaged in peer-to-peer methodology and patient support groups.
“We had a lot of success with the mentorship program, too,” Dr. Williams said. Navigator services, however, offer more one-on-one attention, “and it’s more tailored to what the person needs rather than the set curriculum that the mentors delivered to their mentees.”
Supporting Patients With Lupus
Ideally, navigators should be able to relate to patients and know what they’re going through, Dr. Williams said. This is someone whom the patient can trust and depend on. “That’s where the benefit of having someone who is also a patient lies because they’re ultimately relatable to other patients. But different institutions have taken different approaches to this.”
Some programs focus on specific rheumatologic conditions. The Lupus Foundation of America, for example, established patient navigator programs to assist patients with lupus in four markets across the country.
The Heartland patient navigator program is available for all patients with lupus within its region, which includes Kansas, Missouri, and central and southern Illinois. As a navigator, Ms. Costillo has been assisting patients since 2022. In 2023, she began meeting with patients at the Washington University Lupus Clinic (WULC) in St. Louis, Missouri.
Navigators work directly with patients before and after their appointment to ensure follow-up and reduce missed appointments. “They help lupus patients connect with community services and overcoming barriers to access and care. The goal of this position is to improve overall disease management, which results in better health outcomes,” Ms. Costillo said.
Since its inception, the patient navigator program at WULC has shown a decrease in patient no-call no-shows and an increase in requests to reschedule as opposed to not showing up for their scheduled appointment, based on history.
Patients have reported fewer barriers to transportation and improvement in access to resources, support, and disease education. “Our patients have also stated [that] meeting with the navigator during their appointments has helped them to feel heard, understood, and supported,” Ms. Costillo said.
Navigator Work Is Not Without Challenges
A total of 90% of patients with lupus are women, and women of color are two to three times more likely to develop lupus in their lifetime.
“Based on socioeconomic statistics, lupus patients are in a demographic that is commonly underserved, underfunded, and often overlooked. Finding appropriate local community resources for a patient who must choose between feeding her family or paying for transportation to multiple physician appointments is a common problem,” Ms. Costillo said.
Much of the assistance that became available during the COVID pandemic is starting to disappear. “With the rising costs of daily living, we are having to find creative and alternative ways to break down barriers and find support to fill those gaps,” she continued.
Getting insurance coverage of patients is another challenge. Many patients with lupus will be prescribed a treatment that insurance refuses to cover even after the physician disputes it.
Additionally, many patients with lupus are unable to work to support their family. A majority who apply for Social Security Disability Insurance are denied on their first and second attempts, “requiring multiple hearings and pages of documentation from their physicians,” Ms. Costillo said.
Students Serve as Navigators
One inner-city program is seeking to increase access to healthcare services to patients with lupus and lupus nephritis in underserved communities. In 2021, SUNY Downstate Health Sciences University in New York City, in partnership with the Brooklyn Free Clinic and Brooklyn Health Disparities Center, launched a program to teach navigator skills to second-year medical students.
The students assist patients at the Arthritis Clinic at University Hospital at Downstate. “Many of our patients have either low medical literacy or difficulty with English. Many of them are immigrants,” said Ellen M. Ginzler, MD, MPH, SUNY Downstate’s professor emerita and former vice-chair for research and rheumatology division chief.
Dr. Ginzler sought out navigator candidates who showed a strong interest in working with underserved patients with complicated, severe disease who struggled with keeping appointments or adhering to medication regimens. The program also gave preference to students fluent in other languages such as Spanish.
All these efforts have generated improvements in care.
Assessing the program’s effectiveness in a cross-sectional study, Dr. Ginzler and colleagues reported that 94% of navigators were able to schedule appointments and 87% assisted with prescriptions. Navigators also had high success rates in answering medical questions, getting in touch with a patient’s doctor, and reminding patients of medical appointments.
Medical student Jeremy Wilson, a coauthor of the study, served as a navigator for a woman with lupus and scleroderma for many years, along with other comorbidities.
Mr. Wilson went above and beyond for this patient, helping to secure social services supports that included accompanying her to clinic visits and serving as her advocate. “She found an enormous difference in how she was treated when she went to these clinics because the doctors in those clinics took her much more seriously,” Dr. Ginzler said. Mr. Wilson ran interference to secure clinic appointments and worked with the patient’s rheumatology fellow in the clinic to get approval for medications.
Mr. Wilson and the patient formed a great bond. “It not only helped the patient, but it helped Jeremy tremendously in terms of how he felt about his medical career,” Dr. Ginzler said.
The program has since expanded to include patients with other rheumatic diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis and psoriatic arthritis, and also offers navigator services in dermatology.
A total of 21 students to date have completed the second year of the program. “We’ve just selected eight more,” Dr. Ginzler said. Some of the students continue to do the program in their third or even fourth year as they’re applying for residencies.
A student-run, unpublished survey of nine students in the SUNY program found that all nine reported high confidence in identifying social factors that impact patient health and well-being, compared with four who reported high confidence prior to starting the program. “Additionally, students reported increased confidence in providing comprehensive care in rheumatology and dermatology, and interdisciplinary collaboration,” study author Alejandra K. Moncayo, MPH, and colleagues wrote.
When Navigators Go Virtual
Remission Medical offers its navigator service through its own standalone virtual clinic.
Pain associated with rheumatologic conditions increases the urgency to see a doctor. The goal of the virtual RemissionNavigator program is to meet rheumatology patients where they live, to bridge care gaps and reduce wait times, said Mr. Wehman.
RemissionNavigator accomplishes this through video visits and unlimited texting to its network of board-certified rheumatologists or rheumatology-focused advanced practice providers. Experts can answer questions about why labs are ordered, why a patient may have received a certain diagnosis, or provide detailed explanations of a rheumatic condition.
“There are instances where improvement for the patient means waiting a couple days for us versus 45 days for their brick-and-mortar choice,” Mr. Wehman said.
The program currently has 36 subscribers to Remission’s services, which include navigation. “We have 15 providers in a blend of employed and contracted relationships with Remission,” Mr. Wehman said.
Even in its infancy, the navigator program has produced some success stories. “We had a patient tell us that thanks to us, he was seen faster, found relief immediately through our diagnosis and prescription of methotrexate, felt better at work, lost weight, and was happier in general,” Mr. Wehman said.
Another patient was making monthly, 90-minute trips to Richmond for infusion services. Through the virtual program’s assistance, she is now receiving care from home and can get her monthly infusions at a local clinic.
Ultimately, the goal is to help rheumatology move into an era of value-based care where the transition from fee-for-service to per patient will enable optimized care models and better accessibility, Mr. Wehman said. “It will not happen overnight, but every day we work toward this future.”
VA Targets Rheumatology Care
The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) has also explored the use of navigator services in rheumatology, including virtual services.
VA uses an integrated, interdisciplinary model that manages each veteran’s individual healthcare needs through a coordinated effort among providers, nurses, social workers, pharmacists, and other health professionals, according to VA press secretary Terrence Hayes.
Care coordination may include supporting scheduling appointments, managing chronic conditions, and coordinating care across different medical departments. “This coordination is particularly important in managing complex rheumatologic conditions, where multiple providers may be involved,” Mr. Hayes said.
Additionally, VA has launched a national telerheumatology initiative to improve access to rheumatology providers in rural areas. The initiative will assist veterans in understanding the telehealth system, navigating appointments, and ensuring they have the necessary technology for virtual consultations.
“It will also facilitate communication between rheumatologists, primary care providers, and other specialists, ensuring that all team members are aligned in their approach to the veteran’s care,” Mr. Hayes said.
Who Will Take Advantage of New Codes?
Currently, Remission Medical operates on a cash-pay model, but the company intends to transition to insurance-based coverage in 2025.
Remission Medical also partners directly with preexisting healthcare systems and clinics such as Sentara Health and OrthoVirginia, where a PIN program, powered by Remission Medical’s virtual rheumatology network, may be explored as well.
The company offers its partners synchronous virtual visits and e-consults. It’s likely that these larger organizations will explore coverage for navigator services for Medicare and private insurance. “We can be there to support them as they decide to implement this,” Mr. Wehman said.
Taking advantage of CMS’s navigator PIN codes is an eventual goal. Remission Medical has not submitted the codes yet, “but we do intend to as we continue to grow our membership count,” Mr. Wehman said. “We hope to provide coverage for most of the US and submit the codes to reimbursement by early to mid-2025.”
In terms of reimbursement, the VA operates under a different payment model than Medicare or private insurance, focusing on providing integrated care within the VA system rather than reimbursing for specific services such as patient navigation.
While the SUNY clinic takes care of Medicare patients, it’s unlikely that the new CMS codes for navigators would apply to medical students. Students get paid a monthly stipend for doing navigator work. “There’s a policy about what students can get paid, and how many hours they can work,” Dr. Ginzler clarified.
The SUNY Downstate and Lupus Foundation navigator programs rely on grants to sustain their services. Aurinia Pharmaceuticals has funded both programs, and the SUNY program received an additional grant from Janssen to expand its offerings.
Because it’s grant funded, the navigator position at the Lupus Foundation does not bill patient insurance, Ms. Costillo explained.
Navigator Work Requires Training
Before they start working with patients, navigators often go through a vetting or training process. At Remission Medical, a clinical leadership team does a synchronous interview, background check, and CV review of its potential navigators.
Even before she became a navigator, Ms. Costillo had a strong baseline education in this work. She has a bachelor’s degree in social work and 15 years of experience in social services working with disabled, vulnerable, and underserved populations. Some of her fellow navigators at the Lupus Foundation of America also have degrees in social work.
Ms. Costillo underwent training with the Patient-Centered Education & Research Institute to become a certified professional patient navigator. Her name is on the national registry. The curriculum covered various aspects of medical care such as patient and care team interactions and communications, health and clinical knowledge, patient care coordination and resources, and using evidence-based approaches.
“For our lupus patients, it is essential that navigators understand the disease and the impact on patients and families, treatments available and those in the pipelines, and also the ins and outs of various insurance options,” Ms. Costillo said.
Mr. Wehman, Dr. Williams, and Ms. Costillo reported no disclosures. Dr. Ginzler has been a consultant for Aurinia Pharmaceuticals.
A version of this article first appeared on Medscape.com.
When a large rheumatology clinic in Richmond, Virginia, heard that Medicare would be reimbursing patient navigators, they decided to launch their own virtual navigator program.
“We read about it and felt like it was the perfect representation of what we were already trying to do,” said Blake Wehman, founder and CEO of Remission Medical, which offers virtual diagnosis and longitudinal care in rheumatology.
Mr. Wehman has plans to start submitting for these principal illness navigation (PIN) codes in 2025.
The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) in 2024 began paying navigators who assist Medicare patients with high-risk conditions, which could include rheumatologic diseases. “The codes are not limited to a specific set of diagnoses; rather, the definition of a serious, high-risk condition is dependent on clinical judgment,” the agency clarified.
CMS established this provision in the CY 2024 Physician Fee Schedule final rule.
Reimbursing patient navigators is long overdue, noted Edith Williams, PhD, MS, director of the Center for Community Health and Prevention and founding director of the Office of Health Equity Research at the University of Rochester in New York. “It’s something our patients need. It’s something that the science is telling us can impact outcomes as an adjunct to clinical care,” she said.
Dr. Williams said the new CMS codes “got our departments talking about what this policy is and how it would translate into patient care.”
The codes apply when navigators are assigned to support patients with high-risk conditions who need assistance connecting with clinical and other resources, including any unmet social determinants of health needs, or in diagnosis or treatment of their medical problems.
“Having a navigator by their side to help get through all the clinical and administrative challenges gives people an advocate and a partner who is with them and their families every step of the way to help make the journey easier,” said a CMS spokesperson.
Not all navigator programs may qualify for the new codes. Some are supported by grants and don’t bill patient insurance. However, they all share a common goal: to guide patients through the healthcare continuum and assist with appointments and medication adherence.
Identifying ‘Root Causes’ of Barriers
Navigators represent a wide variety of backgrounds, ranging from healthcare professionals to students or even patients themselves. They generally don’t provide medical advice. “However, we are responsible for making sure our patients and their families are educated and aware, then assist with guidance on their path,” said Katie Costillo, BSW, CPPN, patient navigator and program manager with the Lupus Foundation of America, Heartland Region.
“Training and experience in engaging and building rapport is essential to assisting patients overcome obstacles that limit their access to healthcare,” she said. Narrowing down with patients the root causes of their barriers and then identifying appropriate and available community resources is key.
Studies have demonstrated the effectiveness of adding a navigator to a rheumatology patient’s care plan. In one study, a group of Boston researchers determined that navigators played a useful role in reducing adherence barriers to oral disease-modifying antirheumatic drugs. The navigators uncovered several concerns among 107 rheumatology patients, including fear of adverse events and medication effectiveness.
They also helped to facilitate patient-physician communication, developed strategies to improve medication adherence, and provided medication and diagnosis education. Patients reported satisfaction with the navigator experience.
A study Dr. Williams coauthored that examined behavioral interventions to support African American women with systemic lupus erythematosus found that patient navigator participants had superior coping scores, compared with those engaged in peer-to-peer methodology and patient support groups.
“We had a lot of success with the mentorship program, too,” Dr. Williams said. Navigator services, however, offer more one-on-one attention, “and it’s more tailored to what the person needs rather than the set curriculum that the mentors delivered to their mentees.”
Supporting Patients With Lupus
Ideally, navigators should be able to relate to patients and know what they’re going through, Dr. Williams said. This is someone whom the patient can trust and depend on. “That’s where the benefit of having someone who is also a patient lies because they’re ultimately relatable to other patients. But different institutions have taken different approaches to this.”
Some programs focus on specific rheumatologic conditions. The Lupus Foundation of America, for example, established patient navigator programs to assist patients with lupus in four markets across the country.
The Heartland patient navigator program is available for all patients with lupus within its region, which includes Kansas, Missouri, and central and southern Illinois. As a navigator, Ms. Costillo has been assisting patients since 2022. In 2023, she began meeting with patients at the Washington University Lupus Clinic (WULC) in St. Louis, Missouri.
Navigators work directly with patients before and after their appointment to ensure follow-up and reduce missed appointments. “They help lupus patients connect with community services and overcoming barriers to access and care. The goal of this position is to improve overall disease management, which results in better health outcomes,” Ms. Costillo said.
Since its inception, the patient navigator program at WULC has shown a decrease in patient no-call no-shows and an increase in requests to reschedule as opposed to not showing up for their scheduled appointment, based on history.
Patients have reported fewer barriers to transportation and improvement in access to resources, support, and disease education. “Our patients have also stated [that] meeting with the navigator during their appointments has helped them to feel heard, understood, and supported,” Ms. Costillo said.
Navigator Work Is Not Without Challenges
A total of 90% of patients with lupus are women, and women of color are two to three times more likely to develop lupus in their lifetime.
“Based on socioeconomic statistics, lupus patients are in a demographic that is commonly underserved, underfunded, and often overlooked. Finding appropriate local community resources for a patient who must choose between feeding her family or paying for transportation to multiple physician appointments is a common problem,” Ms. Costillo said.
Much of the assistance that became available during the COVID pandemic is starting to disappear. “With the rising costs of daily living, we are having to find creative and alternative ways to break down barriers and find support to fill those gaps,” she continued.
Getting insurance coverage of patients is another challenge. Many patients with lupus will be prescribed a treatment that insurance refuses to cover even after the physician disputes it.
Additionally, many patients with lupus are unable to work to support their family. A majority who apply for Social Security Disability Insurance are denied on their first and second attempts, “requiring multiple hearings and pages of documentation from their physicians,” Ms. Costillo said.
Students Serve as Navigators
One inner-city program is seeking to increase access to healthcare services to patients with lupus and lupus nephritis in underserved communities. In 2021, SUNY Downstate Health Sciences University in New York City, in partnership with the Brooklyn Free Clinic and Brooklyn Health Disparities Center, launched a program to teach navigator skills to second-year medical students.
The students assist patients at the Arthritis Clinic at University Hospital at Downstate. “Many of our patients have either low medical literacy or difficulty with English. Many of them are immigrants,” said Ellen M. Ginzler, MD, MPH, SUNY Downstate’s professor emerita and former vice-chair for research and rheumatology division chief.
Dr. Ginzler sought out navigator candidates who showed a strong interest in working with underserved patients with complicated, severe disease who struggled with keeping appointments or adhering to medication regimens. The program also gave preference to students fluent in other languages such as Spanish.
All these efforts have generated improvements in care.
Assessing the program’s effectiveness in a cross-sectional study, Dr. Ginzler and colleagues reported that 94% of navigators were able to schedule appointments and 87% assisted with prescriptions. Navigators also had high success rates in answering medical questions, getting in touch with a patient’s doctor, and reminding patients of medical appointments.
Medical student Jeremy Wilson, a coauthor of the study, served as a navigator for a woman with lupus and scleroderma for many years, along with other comorbidities.
Mr. Wilson went above and beyond for this patient, helping to secure social services supports that included accompanying her to clinic visits and serving as her advocate. “She found an enormous difference in how she was treated when she went to these clinics because the doctors in those clinics took her much more seriously,” Dr. Ginzler said. Mr. Wilson ran interference to secure clinic appointments and worked with the patient’s rheumatology fellow in the clinic to get approval for medications.
Mr. Wilson and the patient formed a great bond. “It not only helped the patient, but it helped Jeremy tremendously in terms of how he felt about his medical career,” Dr. Ginzler said.
The program has since expanded to include patients with other rheumatic diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis and psoriatic arthritis, and also offers navigator services in dermatology.
A total of 21 students to date have completed the second year of the program. “We’ve just selected eight more,” Dr. Ginzler said. Some of the students continue to do the program in their third or even fourth year as they’re applying for residencies.
A student-run, unpublished survey of nine students in the SUNY program found that all nine reported high confidence in identifying social factors that impact patient health and well-being, compared with four who reported high confidence prior to starting the program. “Additionally, students reported increased confidence in providing comprehensive care in rheumatology and dermatology, and interdisciplinary collaboration,” study author Alejandra K. Moncayo, MPH, and colleagues wrote.
When Navigators Go Virtual
Remission Medical offers its navigator service through its own standalone virtual clinic.
Pain associated with rheumatologic conditions increases the urgency to see a doctor. The goal of the virtual RemissionNavigator program is to meet rheumatology patients where they live, to bridge care gaps and reduce wait times, said Mr. Wehman.
RemissionNavigator accomplishes this through video visits and unlimited texting to its network of board-certified rheumatologists or rheumatology-focused advanced practice providers. Experts can answer questions about why labs are ordered, why a patient may have received a certain diagnosis, or provide detailed explanations of a rheumatic condition.
“There are instances where improvement for the patient means waiting a couple days for us versus 45 days for their brick-and-mortar choice,” Mr. Wehman said.
The program currently has 36 subscribers to Remission’s services, which include navigation. “We have 15 providers in a blend of employed and contracted relationships with Remission,” Mr. Wehman said.
Even in its infancy, the navigator program has produced some success stories. “We had a patient tell us that thanks to us, he was seen faster, found relief immediately through our diagnosis and prescription of methotrexate, felt better at work, lost weight, and was happier in general,” Mr. Wehman said.
Another patient was making monthly, 90-minute trips to Richmond for infusion services. Through the virtual program’s assistance, she is now receiving care from home and can get her monthly infusions at a local clinic.
Ultimately, the goal is to help rheumatology move into an era of value-based care where the transition from fee-for-service to per patient will enable optimized care models and better accessibility, Mr. Wehman said. “It will not happen overnight, but every day we work toward this future.”
VA Targets Rheumatology Care
The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) has also explored the use of navigator services in rheumatology, including virtual services.
VA uses an integrated, interdisciplinary model that manages each veteran’s individual healthcare needs through a coordinated effort among providers, nurses, social workers, pharmacists, and other health professionals, according to VA press secretary Terrence Hayes.
Care coordination may include supporting scheduling appointments, managing chronic conditions, and coordinating care across different medical departments. “This coordination is particularly important in managing complex rheumatologic conditions, where multiple providers may be involved,” Mr. Hayes said.
Additionally, VA has launched a national telerheumatology initiative to improve access to rheumatology providers in rural areas. The initiative will assist veterans in understanding the telehealth system, navigating appointments, and ensuring they have the necessary technology for virtual consultations.
“It will also facilitate communication between rheumatologists, primary care providers, and other specialists, ensuring that all team members are aligned in their approach to the veteran’s care,” Mr. Hayes said.
Who Will Take Advantage of New Codes?
Currently, Remission Medical operates on a cash-pay model, but the company intends to transition to insurance-based coverage in 2025.
Remission Medical also partners directly with preexisting healthcare systems and clinics such as Sentara Health and OrthoVirginia, where a PIN program, powered by Remission Medical’s virtual rheumatology network, may be explored as well.
The company offers its partners synchronous virtual visits and e-consults. It’s likely that these larger organizations will explore coverage for navigator services for Medicare and private insurance. “We can be there to support them as they decide to implement this,” Mr. Wehman said.
Taking advantage of CMS’s navigator PIN codes is an eventual goal. Remission Medical has not submitted the codes yet, “but we do intend to as we continue to grow our membership count,” Mr. Wehman said. “We hope to provide coverage for most of the US and submit the codes to reimbursement by early to mid-2025.”
In terms of reimbursement, the VA operates under a different payment model than Medicare or private insurance, focusing on providing integrated care within the VA system rather than reimbursing for specific services such as patient navigation.
While the SUNY clinic takes care of Medicare patients, it’s unlikely that the new CMS codes for navigators would apply to medical students. Students get paid a monthly stipend for doing navigator work. “There’s a policy about what students can get paid, and how many hours they can work,” Dr. Ginzler clarified.
The SUNY Downstate and Lupus Foundation navigator programs rely on grants to sustain their services. Aurinia Pharmaceuticals has funded both programs, and the SUNY program received an additional grant from Janssen to expand its offerings.
Because it’s grant funded, the navigator position at the Lupus Foundation does not bill patient insurance, Ms. Costillo explained.
Navigator Work Requires Training
Before they start working with patients, navigators often go through a vetting or training process. At Remission Medical, a clinical leadership team does a synchronous interview, background check, and CV review of its potential navigators.
Even before she became a navigator, Ms. Costillo had a strong baseline education in this work. She has a bachelor’s degree in social work and 15 years of experience in social services working with disabled, vulnerable, and underserved populations. Some of her fellow navigators at the Lupus Foundation of America also have degrees in social work.
Ms. Costillo underwent training with the Patient-Centered Education & Research Institute to become a certified professional patient navigator. Her name is on the national registry. The curriculum covered various aspects of medical care such as patient and care team interactions and communications, health and clinical knowledge, patient care coordination and resources, and using evidence-based approaches.
“For our lupus patients, it is essential that navigators understand the disease and the impact on patients and families, treatments available and those in the pipelines, and also the ins and outs of various insurance options,” Ms. Costillo said.
Mr. Wehman, Dr. Williams, and Ms. Costillo reported no disclosures. Dr. Ginzler has been a consultant for Aurinia Pharmaceuticals.
A version of this article first appeared on Medscape.com.
When a large rheumatology clinic in Richmond, Virginia, heard that Medicare would be reimbursing patient navigators, they decided to launch their own virtual navigator program.
“We read about it and felt like it was the perfect representation of what we were already trying to do,” said Blake Wehman, founder and CEO of Remission Medical, which offers virtual diagnosis and longitudinal care in rheumatology.
Mr. Wehman has plans to start submitting for these principal illness navigation (PIN) codes in 2025.
The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) in 2024 began paying navigators who assist Medicare patients with high-risk conditions, which could include rheumatologic diseases. “The codes are not limited to a specific set of diagnoses; rather, the definition of a serious, high-risk condition is dependent on clinical judgment,” the agency clarified.
CMS established this provision in the CY 2024 Physician Fee Schedule final rule.
Reimbursing patient navigators is long overdue, noted Edith Williams, PhD, MS, director of the Center for Community Health and Prevention and founding director of the Office of Health Equity Research at the University of Rochester in New York. “It’s something our patients need. It’s something that the science is telling us can impact outcomes as an adjunct to clinical care,” she said.
Dr. Williams said the new CMS codes “got our departments talking about what this policy is and how it would translate into patient care.”
The codes apply when navigators are assigned to support patients with high-risk conditions who need assistance connecting with clinical and other resources, including any unmet social determinants of health needs, or in diagnosis or treatment of their medical problems.
“Having a navigator by their side to help get through all the clinical and administrative challenges gives people an advocate and a partner who is with them and their families every step of the way to help make the journey easier,” said a CMS spokesperson.
Not all navigator programs may qualify for the new codes. Some are supported by grants and don’t bill patient insurance. However, they all share a common goal: to guide patients through the healthcare continuum and assist with appointments and medication adherence.
Identifying ‘Root Causes’ of Barriers
Navigators represent a wide variety of backgrounds, ranging from healthcare professionals to students or even patients themselves. They generally don’t provide medical advice. “However, we are responsible for making sure our patients and their families are educated and aware, then assist with guidance on their path,” said Katie Costillo, BSW, CPPN, patient navigator and program manager with the Lupus Foundation of America, Heartland Region.
“Training and experience in engaging and building rapport is essential to assisting patients overcome obstacles that limit their access to healthcare,” she said. Narrowing down with patients the root causes of their barriers and then identifying appropriate and available community resources is key.
Studies have demonstrated the effectiveness of adding a navigator to a rheumatology patient’s care plan. In one study, a group of Boston researchers determined that navigators played a useful role in reducing adherence barriers to oral disease-modifying antirheumatic drugs. The navigators uncovered several concerns among 107 rheumatology patients, including fear of adverse events and medication effectiveness.
They also helped to facilitate patient-physician communication, developed strategies to improve medication adherence, and provided medication and diagnosis education. Patients reported satisfaction with the navigator experience.
A study Dr. Williams coauthored that examined behavioral interventions to support African American women with systemic lupus erythematosus found that patient navigator participants had superior coping scores, compared with those engaged in peer-to-peer methodology and patient support groups.
“We had a lot of success with the mentorship program, too,” Dr. Williams said. Navigator services, however, offer more one-on-one attention, “and it’s more tailored to what the person needs rather than the set curriculum that the mentors delivered to their mentees.”
Supporting Patients With Lupus
Ideally, navigators should be able to relate to patients and know what they’re going through, Dr. Williams said. This is someone whom the patient can trust and depend on. “That’s where the benefit of having someone who is also a patient lies because they’re ultimately relatable to other patients. But different institutions have taken different approaches to this.”
Some programs focus on specific rheumatologic conditions. The Lupus Foundation of America, for example, established patient navigator programs to assist patients with lupus in four markets across the country.
The Heartland patient navigator program is available for all patients with lupus within its region, which includes Kansas, Missouri, and central and southern Illinois. As a navigator, Ms. Costillo has been assisting patients since 2022. In 2023, she began meeting with patients at the Washington University Lupus Clinic (WULC) in St. Louis, Missouri.
Navigators work directly with patients before and after their appointment to ensure follow-up and reduce missed appointments. “They help lupus patients connect with community services and overcoming barriers to access and care. The goal of this position is to improve overall disease management, which results in better health outcomes,” Ms. Costillo said.
Since its inception, the patient navigator program at WULC has shown a decrease in patient no-call no-shows and an increase in requests to reschedule as opposed to not showing up for their scheduled appointment, based on history.
Patients have reported fewer barriers to transportation and improvement in access to resources, support, and disease education. “Our patients have also stated [that] meeting with the navigator during their appointments has helped them to feel heard, understood, and supported,” Ms. Costillo said.
Navigator Work Is Not Without Challenges
A total of 90% of patients with lupus are women, and women of color are two to three times more likely to develop lupus in their lifetime.
“Based on socioeconomic statistics, lupus patients are in a demographic that is commonly underserved, underfunded, and often overlooked. Finding appropriate local community resources for a patient who must choose between feeding her family or paying for transportation to multiple physician appointments is a common problem,” Ms. Costillo said.
Much of the assistance that became available during the COVID pandemic is starting to disappear. “With the rising costs of daily living, we are having to find creative and alternative ways to break down barriers and find support to fill those gaps,” she continued.
Getting insurance coverage of patients is another challenge. Many patients with lupus will be prescribed a treatment that insurance refuses to cover even after the physician disputes it.
Additionally, many patients with lupus are unable to work to support their family. A majority who apply for Social Security Disability Insurance are denied on their first and second attempts, “requiring multiple hearings and pages of documentation from their physicians,” Ms. Costillo said.
Students Serve as Navigators
One inner-city program is seeking to increase access to healthcare services to patients with lupus and lupus nephritis in underserved communities. In 2021, SUNY Downstate Health Sciences University in New York City, in partnership with the Brooklyn Free Clinic and Brooklyn Health Disparities Center, launched a program to teach navigator skills to second-year medical students.
The students assist patients at the Arthritis Clinic at University Hospital at Downstate. “Many of our patients have either low medical literacy or difficulty with English. Many of them are immigrants,” said Ellen M. Ginzler, MD, MPH, SUNY Downstate’s professor emerita and former vice-chair for research and rheumatology division chief.
Dr. Ginzler sought out navigator candidates who showed a strong interest in working with underserved patients with complicated, severe disease who struggled with keeping appointments or adhering to medication regimens. The program also gave preference to students fluent in other languages such as Spanish.
All these efforts have generated improvements in care.
Assessing the program’s effectiveness in a cross-sectional study, Dr. Ginzler and colleagues reported that 94% of navigators were able to schedule appointments and 87% assisted with prescriptions. Navigators also had high success rates in answering medical questions, getting in touch with a patient’s doctor, and reminding patients of medical appointments.
Medical student Jeremy Wilson, a coauthor of the study, served as a navigator for a woman with lupus and scleroderma for many years, along with other comorbidities.
Mr. Wilson went above and beyond for this patient, helping to secure social services supports that included accompanying her to clinic visits and serving as her advocate. “She found an enormous difference in how she was treated when she went to these clinics because the doctors in those clinics took her much more seriously,” Dr. Ginzler said. Mr. Wilson ran interference to secure clinic appointments and worked with the patient’s rheumatology fellow in the clinic to get approval for medications.
Mr. Wilson and the patient formed a great bond. “It not only helped the patient, but it helped Jeremy tremendously in terms of how he felt about his medical career,” Dr. Ginzler said.
The program has since expanded to include patients with other rheumatic diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis and psoriatic arthritis, and also offers navigator services in dermatology.
A total of 21 students to date have completed the second year of the program. “We’ve just selected eight more,” Dr. Ginzler said. Some of the students continue to do the program in their third or even fourth year as they’re applying for residencies.
A student-run, unpublished survey of nine students in the SUNY program found that all nine reported high confidence in identifying social factors that impact patient health and well-being, compared with four who reported high confidence prior to starting the program. “Additionally, students reported increased confidence in providing comprehensive care in rheumatology and dermatology, and interdisciplinary collaboration,” study author Alejandra K. Moncayo, MPH, and colleagues wrote.
When Navigators Go Virtual
Remission Medical offers its navigator service through its own standalone virtual clinic.
Pain associated with rheumatologic conditions increases the urgency to see a doctor. The goal of the virtual RemissionNavigator program is to meet rheumatology patients where they live, to bridge care gaps and reduce wait times, said Mr. Wehman.
RemissionNavigator accomplishes this through video visits and unlimited texting to its network of board-certified rheumatologists or rheumatology-focused advanced practice providers. Experts can answer questions about why labs are ordered, why a patient may have received a certain diagnosis, or provide detailed explanations of a rheumatic condition.
“There are instances where improvement for the patient means waiting a couple days for us versus 45 days for their brick-and-mortar choice,” Mr. Wehman said.
The program currently has 36 subscribers to Remission’s services, which include navigation. “We have 15 providers in a blend of employed and contracted relationships with Remission,” Mr. Wehman said.
Even in its infancy, the navigator program has produced some success stories. “We had a patient tell us that thanks to us, he was seen faster, found relief immediately through our diagnosis and prescription of methotrexate, felt better at work, lost weight, and was happier in general,” Mr. Wehman said.
Another patient was making monthly, 90-minute trips to Richmond for infusion services. Through the virtual program’s assistance, she is now receiving care from home and can get her monthly infusions at a local clinic.
Ultimately, the goal is to help rheumatology move into an era of value-based care where the transition from fee-for-service to per patient will enable optimized care models and better accessibility, Mr. Wehman said. “It will not happen overnight, but every day we work toward this future.”
VA Targets Rheumatology Care
The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) has also explored the use of navigator services in rheumatology, including virtual services.
VA uses an integrated, interdisciplinary model that manages each veteran’s individual healthcare needs through a coordinated effort among providers, nurses, social workers, pharmacists, and other health professionals, according to VA press secretary Terrence Hayes.
Care coordination may include supporting scheduling appointments, managing chronic conditions, and coordinating care across different medical departments. “This coordination is particularly important in managing complex rheumatologic conditions, where multiple providers may be involved,” Mr. Hayes said.
Additionally, VA has launched a national telerheumatology initiative to improve access to rheumatology providers in rural areas. The initiative will assist veterans in understanding the telehealth system, navigating appointments, and ensuring they have the necessary technology for virtual consultations.
“It will also facilitate communication between rheumatologists, primary care providers, and other specialists, ensuring that all team members are aligned in their approach to the veteran’s care,” Mr. Hayes said.
Who Will Take Advantage of New Codes?
Currently, Remission Medical operates on a cash-pay model, but the company intends to transition to insurance-based coverage in 2025.
Remission Medical also partners directly with preexisting healthcare systems and clinics such as Sentara Health and OrthoVirginia, where a PIN program, powered by Remission Medical’s virtual rheumatology network, may be explored as well.
The company offers its partners synchronous virtual visits and e-consults. It’s likely that these larger organizations will explore coverage for navigator services for Medicare and private insurance. “We can be there to support them as they decide to implement this,” Mr. Wehman said.
Taking advantage of CMS’s navigator PIN codes is an eventual goal. Remission Medical has not submitted the codes yet, “but we do intend to as we continue to grow our membership count,” Mr. Wehman said. “We hope to provide coverage for most of the US and submit the codes to reimbursement by early to mid-2025.”
In terms of reimbursement, the VA operates under a different payment model than Medicare or private insurance, focusing on providing integrated care within the VA system rather than reimbursing for specific services such as patient navigation.
While the SUNY clinic takes care of Medicare patients, it’s unlikely that the new CMS codes for navigators would apply to medical students. Students get paid a monthly stipend for doing navigator work. “There’s a policy about what students can get paid, and how many hours they can work,” Dr. Ginzler clarified.
The SUNY Downstate and Lupus Foundation navigator programs rely on grants to sustain their services. Aurinia Pharmaceuticals has funded both programs, and the SUNY program received an additional grant from Janssen to expand its offerings.
Because it’s grant funded, the navigator position at the Lupus Foundation does not bill patient insurance, Ms. Costillo explained.
Navigator Work Requires Training
Before they start working with patients, navigators often go through a vetting or training process. At Remission Medical, a clinical leadership team does a synchronous interview, background check, and CV review of its potential navigators.
Even before she became a navigator, Ms. Costillo had a strong baseline education in this work. She has a bachelor’s degree in social work and 15 years of experience in social services working with disabled, vulnerable, and underserved populations. Some of her fellow navigators at the Lupus Foundation of America also have degrees in social work.
Ms. Costillo underwent training with the Patient-Centered Education & Research Institute to become a certified professional patient navigator. Her name is on the national registry. The curriculum covered various aspects of medical care such as patient and care team interactions and communications, health and clinical knowledge, patient care coordination and resources, and using evidence-based approaches.
“For our lupus patients, it is essential that navigators understand the disease and the impact on patients and families, treatments available and those in the pipelines, and also the ins and outs of various insurance options,” Ms. Costillo said.
Mr. Wehman, Dr. Williams, and Ms. Costillo reported no disclosures. Dr. Ginzler has been a consultant for Aurinia Pharmaceuticals.
A version of this article first appeared on Medscape.com.
Obesity Is Not a Moral Failing, GI Physician Says
It takes a long time for some patients with obesity to acknowledge that they need help, said Dr. Laster, a bariatric endoscopist who specializes in gastroenterology, nutrition, and obesity medicine at Gut Theory Total Digestive Care, and Georgetown University Hospital in Washington. “If somebody has high blood pressure or has a cut or has chest pain, you don’t wait for things. You would go seek help immediately. I wish more patients reached out sooner and didn’t struggle.”
Another big challenge is making sure patients have insurance coverage for things like medications, surgery, and bariatric endoscopy, she added.
Her response: education and advocacy. “I’m giving as many talks as I can to fellows, creating courses for residents and fellows and medical students” to change the way physicians talk about obesity and excess weight, she said. Patients need to understand that physicians care about them, that “we’re not judging and we’re changing that perspective.”
Dr. Laster is also working with members of Congress to get bills passed for coverage of obesity medication and procedures. In an interview with GI & Hepatology News, she spoke more about the intersection between nutrition, medicine and bariatric procedures and the importance of offering patients multiple solutions.
Q: Why did you choose GI?
It allowed me a little bit of everything. You have clinic, where you can really interact with patients and get to the root of their problem. You have preventative care with routine colonoscopies and upper endoscopies to prevent for cancer. But then you also have fun stuff — which my mom told me to stop saying out loud — ‘bleeders’ and acute things that you get to fix immediately. So, you get the adrenaline rush too. I like it because you get the best of all worlds and it’s really hard to get bored.
Q: How did you become interested in nutrition and bariatric endoscopy?
My parents had a garden and never let us eat processed foods. In residency, I kept seeing the same medical problems over and over again. Everybody had high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and diabetes. Then in GI clinic, everybody had abdominal pain, bloating, constipation, heartburn, and a million GI appointments for these same things. Everyone’s upper endoscopy or colonoscopy was negative. Something else had to be going on.
And that’s sort of where it came from; figuring out the common denominator. It had to be what people were eating. There’s also the prevalence of patients with obesity going up every single year. Correlating all these other medical problems with people’s diets led me down the rabbit hole of: What else can we be doing?
Most people don’t want to undergo surgery. Only 2% of people eligible for surgery actually do it, even though it works. The reasons are because it’s invasive or there’s shame behind it. Bariatric endoscopy is another option that’s out here, that’s less invasive. I’m an endoscopist and gastroenterologist. I should be able to offer all those things and I should know more about nutrition. We don’t talk about it enough.
Q: Do you think more GI doctors should become better educated about nutrition?
100%. Every patient I see has seen a GI doctor before and says, ‘No one has ever told me that if I have carbonated beverages and cheese every day, I’m going to be bloated and constipated.’ And that shouldn’t be the case.
Q: Why do you think that more GI doctors don’t get the education on nutrition during their medical training?
I think it’s our healthcare system. It’s very much focused on secondary treatment rather than preventative care. There’s no emphasis on preventing things from happening.
We’re really good at reactionary medicine. People who have an ulcer, big polyps and colon cancer, esophageal cancer — we do those things really well. But I think because there’s no ICD-10 codes for preventive care via nutrition education, and no good reimbursement, then there’s no incentive for hospital systems to pay for these things. It’s a system based on RVUs (relative value units) and numbers. That’s been our trajectory. We’ve been so focused on reactionary medicine rather than saying, ‘Okay, let’s stop this from happening.’
We just didn’t talk about nutrition in medical school, in residency, or in fellowship. It was looked at as a soft science. When I was in school, people would also say, ‘No one’s going to change. So it’s a waste of your time essentially to talk to people about making dietary changes.’ I feel like if you give people the opportunity, you have to give them the chance. You can’t just write everybody off. Some people won’t change, but that’s okay. They should at least have the opportunity to do so.
Q: How do you determine whether a patient is a good candidate for bariatric surgery?
It’s based on the guidelines: If they meet the BMI requirements, if they have obesity-associated comorbidities, their risk for surgery is low. But it’s also whether they want to do it or not. A patient has to be in the mindset and be ready for it. They need to want to have surgery or bariatric endoscopy, or to use medications, or start to make a change. Some people aren’t there yet — that preemptive stage of making a change. They want the solution, but they’re not ready to do that legwork yet.
And all of it is work. I tell patients, ‘Whether it’s medication or bariatric endoscopy or bariatric surgery, you still have work to do. None of it is going to just magically happen where you could just continue to do the same thing you’re doing now and you’re going to lose weight and keep it off.’
Q: What advances in obesity prevention are you excited about?
I’m excited that bariatric endoscopy came about in the first place, because in every other field there are less invasive approaches that have become available. I’m also excited about the emergence of weight loss medication, like GLP-1s. I think they are a tool that we need.
Q: Do you think the weight loss medications may negate the need for surgery?
I don’t think they necessarily reduce the need for surgery. There’s still a lot we don’t know about why they work in some patients and why they don’t work in others.
Some of our colleagues have come up with phenotypes and blood tests so we can better understand which things will work in different patients. Surgery doesn’t work for some patients. People may need a combination of both after they reach a plateau. I’m excited that people see this as something that we should be researching and putting more effort into — that obesity isn’t a disease of moral failure, that people with excess weight just need to ‘move more’ or ‘eat less’ and it’s their fault. I’m glad people are starting to understand that.
Q: What teacher or mentor had the greatest impact on you?
Probably two. One of them is Andrea E Reid, MD, MPH, a dean of medicine at Harvard. She gives you such motivation to achieve things, no matter how big your idea is or how crazy it may seem. If you have something that you think is important, you go after it. Another person is Christopher C. Thompson, MD, at Brigham and Women’s Hospital, the father of bariatric endoscopy in a sense. He embodies what Dr. Reid talks about: crazy big ideas. And he goes after them and he succeeds. Having him push me and giving me that type of encouragement was invaluable.
Q: Describe how you would spend a free Saturday afternoon.
Every Saturday is yoga or some type of movement. Spending some time outside doing something, whether it’s messing around with plants that I’m not very good at, or going for a walk.
Lightning Round
Texting or talking?
Text
Favorite city in U.S. besides the one you live in?
New York
Favorite breakfast?
Avocado toast
Place you most want to travel to?
Istanbul
Favorite season?
Fall
Favorite ice cream flavor?
Raspberry sorbet
How many cups of coffee do you drink per day?
One
Best place you ever went on vacation?
Greece
If you weren’t a gastroenterologist, what would you be?
Own a clothing store
Favorite type of music?
Old school R&B
Favorite movie genre?
Romantic comedy or drama
Cat person or dog person?
Dog
Favorite sport?
Football
Favorite holiday?
Christmas
Optimist or pessimist?
Optimist
It takes a long time for some patients with obesity to acknowledge that they need help, said Dr. Laster, a bariatric endoscopist who specializes in gastroenterology, nutrition, and obesity medicine at Gut Theory Total Digestive Care, and Georgetown University Hospital in Washington. “If somebody has high blood pressure or has a cut or has chest pain, you don’t wait for things. You would go seek help immediately. I wish more patients reached out sooner and didn’t struggle.”
Another big challenge is making sure patients have insurance coverage for things like medications, surgery, and bariatric endoscopy, she added.
Her response: education and advocacy. “I’m giving as many talks as I can to fellows, creating courses for residents and fellows and medical students” to change the way physicians talk about obesity and excess weight, she said. Patients need to understand that physicians care about them, that “we’re not judging and we’re changing that perspective.”
Dr. Laster is also working with members of Congress to get bills passed for coverage of obesity medication and procedures. In an interview with GI & Hepatology News, she spoke more about the intersection between nutrition, medicine and bariatric procedures and the importance of offering patients multiple solutions.
Q: Why did you choose GI?
It allowed me a little bit of everything. You have clinic, where you can really interact with patients and get to the root of their problem. You have preventative care with routine colonoscopies and upper endoscopies to prevent for cancer. But then you also have fun stuff — which my mom told me to stop saying out loud — ‘bleeders’ and acute things that you get to fix immediately. So, you get the adrenaline rush too. I like it because you get the best of all worlds and it’s really hard to get bored.
Q: How did you become interested in nutrition and bariatric endoscopy?
My parents had a garden and never let us eat processed foods. In residency, I kept seeing the same medical problems over and over again. Everybody had high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and diabetes. Then in GI clinic, everybody had abdominal pain, bloating, constipation, heartburn, and a million GI appointments for these same things. Everyone’s upper endoscopy or colonoscopy was negative. Something else had to be going on.
And that’s sort of where it came from; figuring out the common denominator. It had to be what people were eating. There’s also the prevalence of patients with obesity going up every single year. Correlating all these other medical problems with people’s diets led me down the rabbit hole of: What else can we be doing?
Most people don’t want to undergo surgery. Only 2% of people eligible for surgery actually do it, even though it works. The reasons are because it’s invasive or there’s shame behind it. Bariatric endoscopy is another option that’s out here, that’s less invasive. I’m an endoscopist and gastroenterologist. I should be able to offer all those things and I should know more about nutrition. We don’t talk about it enough.
Q: Do you think more GI doctors should become better educated about nutrition?
100%. Every patient I see has seen a GI doctor before and says, ‘No one has ever told me that if I have carbonated beverages and cheese every day, I’m going to be bloated and constipated.’ And that shouldn’t be the case.
Q: Why do you think that more GI doctors don’t get the education on nutrition during their medical training?
I think it’s our healthcare system. It’s very much focused on secondary treatment rather than preventative care. There’s no emphasis on preventing things from happening.
We’re really good at reactionary medicine. People who have an ulcer, big polyps and colon cancer, esophageal cancer — we do those things really well. But I think because there’s no ICD-10 codes for preventive care via nutrition education, and no good reimbursement, then there’s no incentive for hospital systems to pay for these things. It’s a system based on RVUs (relative value units) and numbers. That’s been our trajectory. We’ve been so focused on reactionary medicine rather than saying, ‘Okay, let’s stop this from happening.’
We just didn’t talk about nutrition in medical school, in residency, or in fellowship. It was looked at as a soft science. When I was in school, people would also say, ‘No one’s going to change. So it’s a waste of your time essentially to talk to people about making dietary changes.’ I feel like if you give people the opportunity, you have to give them the chance. You can’t just write everybody off. Some people won’t change, but that’s okay. They should at least have the opportunity to do so.
Q: How do you determine whether a patient is a good candidate for bariatric surgery?
It’s based on the guidelines: If they meet the BMI requirements, if they have obesity-associated comorbidities, their risk for surgery is low. But it’s also whether they want to do it or not. A patient has to be in the mindset and be ready for it. They need to want to have surgery or bariatric endoscopy, or to use medications, or start to make a change. Some people aren’t there yet — that preemptive stage of making a change. They want the solution, but they’re not ready to do that legwork yet.
And all of it is work. I tell patients, ‘Whether it’s medication or bariatric endoscopy or bariatric surgery, you still have work to do. None of it is going to just magically happen where you could just continue to do the same thing you’re doing now and you’re going to lose weight and keep it off.’
Q: What advances in obesity prevention are you excited about?
I’m excited that bariatric endoscopy came about in the first place, because in every other field there are less invasive approaches that have become available. I’m also excited about the emergence of weight loss medication, like GLP-1s. I think they are a tool that we need.
Q: Do you think the weight loss medications may negate the need for surgery?
I don’t think they necessarily reduce the need for surgery. There’s still a lot we don’t know about why they work in some patients and why they don’t work in others.
Some of our colleagues have come up with phenotypes and blood tests so we can better understand which things will work in different patients. Surgery doesn’t work for some patients. People may need a combination of both after they reach a plateau. I’m excited that people see this as something that we should be researching and putting more effort into — that obesity isn’t a disease of moral failure, that people with excess weight just need to ‘move more’ or ‘eat less’ and it’s their fault. I’m glad people are starting to understand that.
Q: What teacher or mentor had the greatest impact on you?
Probably two. One of them is Andrea E Reid, MD, MPH, a dean of medicine at Harvard. She gives you such motivation to achieve things, no matter how big your idea is or how crazy it may seem. If you have something that you think is important, you go after it. Another person is Christopher C. Thompson, MD, at Brigham and Women’s Hospital, the father of bariatric endoscopy in a sense. He embodies what Dr. Reid talks about: crazy big ideas. And he goes after them and he succeeds. Having him push me and giving me that type of encouragement was invaluable.
Q: Describe how you would spend a free Saturday afternoon.
Every Saturday is yoga or some type of movement. Spending some time outside doing something, whether it’s messing around with plants that I’m not very good at, or going for a walk.
Lightning Round
Texting or talking?
Text
Favorite city in U.S. besides the one you live in?
New York
Favorite breakfast?
Avocado toast
Place you most want to travel to?
Istanbul
Favorite season?
Fall
Favorite ice cream flavor?
Raspberry sorbet
How many cups of coffee do you drink per day?
One
Best place you ever went on vacation?
Greece
If you weren’t a gastroenterologist, what would you be?
Own a clothing store
Favorite type of music?
Old school R&B
Favorite movie genre?
Romantic comedy or drama
Cat person or dog person?
Dog
Favorite sport?
Football
Favorite holiday?
Christmas
Optimist or pessimist?
Optimist
It takes a long time for some patients with obesity to acknowledge that they need help, said Dr. Laster, a bariatric endoscopist who specializes in gastroenterology, nutrition, and obesity medicine at Gut Theory Total Digestive Care, and Georgetown University Hospital in Washington. “If somebody has high blood pressure or has a cut or has chest pain, you don’t wait for things. You would go seek help immediately. I wish more patients reached out sooner and didn’t struggle.”
Another big challenge is making sure patients have insurance coverage for things like medications, surgery, and bariatric endoscopy, she added.
Her response: education and advocacy. “I’m giving as many talks as I can to fellows, creating courses for residents and fellows and medical students” to change the way physicians talk about obesity and excess weight, she said. Patients need to understand that physicians care about them, that “we’re not judging and we’re changing that perspective.”
Dr. Laster is also working with members of Congress to get bills passed for coverage of obesity medication and procedures. In an interview with GI & Hepatology News, she spoke more about the intersection between nutrition, medicine and bariatric procedures and the importance of offering patients multiple solutions.
Q: Why did you choose GI?
It allowed me a little bit of everything. You have clinic, where you can really interact with patients and get to the root of their problem. You have preventative care with routine colonoscopies and upper endoscopies to prevent for cancer. But then you also have fun stuff — which my mom told me to stop saying out loud — ‘bleeders’ and acute things that you get to fix immediately. So, you get the adrenaline rush too. I like it because you get the best of all worlds and it’s really hard to get bored.
Q: How did you become interested in nutrition and bariatric endoscopy?
My parents had a garden and never let us eat processed foods. In residency, I kept seeing the same medical problems over and over again. Everybody had high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and diabetes. Then in GI clinic, everybody had abdominal pain, bloating, constipation, heartburn, and a million GI appointments for these same things. Everyone’s upper endoscopy or colonoscopy was negative. Something else had to be going on.
And that’s sort of where it came from; figuring out the common denominator. It had to be what people were eating. There’s also the prevalence of patients with obesity going up every single year. Correlating all these other medical problems with people’s diets led me down the rabbit hole of: What else can we be doing?
Most people don’t want to undergo surgery. Only 2% of people eligible for surgery actually do it, even though it works. The reasons are because it’s invasive or there’s shame behind it. Bariatric endoscopy is another option that’s out here, that’s less invasive. I’m an endoscopist and gastroenterologist. I should be able to offer all those things and I should know more about nutrition. We don’t talk about it enough.
Q: Do you think more GI doctors should become better educated about nutrition?
100%. Every patient I see has seen a GI doctor before and says, ‘No one has ever told me that if I have carbonated beverages and cheese every day, I’m going to be bloated and constipated.’ And that shouldn’t be the case.
Q: Why do you think that more GI doctors don’t get the education on nutrition during their medical training?
I think it’s our healthcare system. It’s very much focused on secondary treatment rather than preventative care. There’s no emphasis on preventing things from happening.
We’re really good at reactionary medicine. People who have an ulcer, big polyps and colon cancer, esophageal cancer — we do those things really well. But I think because there’s no ICD-10 codes for preventive care via nutrition education, and no good reimbursement, then there’s no incentive for hospital systems to pay for these things. It’s a system based on RVUs (relative value units) and numbers. That’s been our trajectory. We’ve been so focused on reactionary medicine rather than saying, ‘Okay, let’s stop this from happening.’
We just didn’t talk about nutrition in medical school, in residency, or in fellowship. It was looked at as a soft science. When I was in school, people would also say, ‘No one’s going to change. So it’s a waste of your time essentially to talk to people about making dietary changes.’ I feel like if you give people the opportunity, you have to give them the chance. You can’t just write everybody off. Some people won’t change, but that’s okay. They should at least have the opportunity to do so.
Q: How do you determine whether a patient is a good candidate for bariatric surgery?
It’s based on the guidelines: If they meet the BMI requirements, if they have obesity-associated comorbidities, their risk for surgery is low. But it’s also whether they want to do it or not. A patient has to be in the mindset and be ready for it. They need to want to have surgery or bariatric endoscopy, or to use medications, or start to make a change. Some people aren’t there yet — that preemptive stage of making a change. They want the solution, but they’re not ready to do that legwork yet.
And all of it is work. I tell patients, ‘Whether it’s medication or bariatric endoscopy or bariatric surgery, you still have work to do. None of it is going to just magically happen where you could just continue to do the same thing you’re doing now and you’re going to lose weight and keep it off.’
Q: What advances in obesity prevention are you excited about?
I’m excited that bariatric endoscopy came about in the first place, because in every other field there are less invasive approaches that have become available. I’m also excited about the emergence of weight loss medication, like GLP-1s. I think they are a tool that we need.
Q: Do you think the weight loss medications may negate the need for surgery?
I don’t think they necessarily reduce the need for surgery. There’s still a lot we don’t know about why they work in some patients and why they don’t work in others.
Some of our colleagues have come up with phenotypes and blood tests so we can better understand which things will work in different patients. Surgery doesn’t work for some patients. People may need a combination of both after they reach a plateau. I’m excited that people see this as something that we should be researching and putting more effort into — that obesity isn’t a disease of moral failure, that people with excess weight just need to ‘move more’ or ‘eat less’ and it’s their fault. I’m glad people are starting to understand that.
Q: What teacher or mentor had the greatest impact on you?
Probably two. One of them is Andrea E Reid, MD, MPH, a dean of medicine at Harvard. She gives you such motivation to achieve things, no matter how big your idea is or how crazy it may seem. If you have something that you think is important, you go after it. Another person is Christopher C. Thompson, MD, at Brigham and Women’s Hospital, the father of bariatric endoscopy in a sense. He embodies what Dr. Reid talks about: crazy big ideas. And he goes after them and he succeeds. Having him push me and giving me that type of encouragement was invaluable.
Q: Describe how you would spend a free Saturday afternoon.
Every Saturday is yoga or some type of movement. Spending some time outside doing something, whether it’s messing around with plants that I’m not very good at, or going for a walk.
Lightning Round
Texting or talking?
Text
Favorite city in U.S. besides the one you live in?
New York
Favorite breakfast?
Avocado toast
Place you most want to travel to?
Istanbul
Favorite season?
Fall
Favorite ice cream flavor?
Raspberry sorbet
How many cups of coffee do you drink per day?
One
Best place you ever went on vacation?
Greece
If you weren’t a gastroenterologist, what would you be?
Own a clothing store
Favorite type of music?
Old school R&B
Favorite movie genre?
Romantic comedy or drama
Cat person or dog person?
Dog
Favorite sport?
Football
Favorite holiday?
Christmas
Optimist or pessimist?
Optimist